FuriousG said:

and a fun form of power rush in melee games.

Hey, what do you thing that "The Kingsmoot" is going to be about, we heard some news that you have to collect six special titles. But is it going to be playable? Is this a good way the game should be going? There is already a lot of special mechanics (Epic Phase, Bannermens, new Shadow mechanics etc.) and there a more and more comming. I hope that this game is not going to achive the point where there is so much mechanics that nobody could keep with the game and there will be a lot of confusion and ignorance.

I think it's likely just a stand alone type of "mini-game" multiplayer type format. I don't think it's going to become part of the standard official competitive play or anything, but be more in line with the casual boardgame type feel FFG seems to want to encourage with the line.

I would be very happy if teh 5K kings and Qeeens got reprinted - and i really don't think they would add pwoer creep. the restriction about being teh only King in play balances their effects to a great extenet, and there still won't be a ton of tarited Plots for them to exploit - given what we know.

I think the RoK royalty were even stronger, and as mcuh as I love AroK Daby, Robb and Stannis - tehy might be a little scary in LCG. Though jaw droppingly cool at teh same time. A mix of RoK and 5K repitns woudl be nice, and I'll rpobably be underwhelemd by new ones - given what we ahve seen in the past.

BTW - i really don't think a card's rarity in CCG shoudl ahve any effect on if it gets a rpeitn or not. Look - they are thinking of reprinting HoTh Tywin, and he was certainly soemthing fo a chase rare at one point.

Stag Lord said:

There is a third possibility, you know. And it has been used on at least one of the cards. We've seen the "King Balon" for the set and he's a modified reprint (added the King trait/restriction to the AFoD version). Could that be the order of the day? Perhaps we'll see ASoS-Robb or I&F Joffrey modified as Kings instead of "straight up" reprints of the ones who were Kings already?

Stag Lord said:

True. As the only "full Lannister" card is the set, he felt particularly hard to come by. And a many of the cards in the Core Set (like the Streets) started out as rares at one point. FFG has never been shy about reprinting rares in fixed packs when they though it would benefit the environment (think of The Red Keep and Westeros Bleeds being reprinted in the Winter PS). And anyway, haven't ALL versions of Robb Stark been rare? If he's the Stark King we're assuming we're going to get in this thing, rarity obviously isn't really a deciding factor in anyone's mind here.

And really, he is the only option for Stark royalty.

I see your poitn that modifed versions of older characters could be in the offing. I'd certainly be Ok with that - a winter Dany wiht teh Queen tarit would certainly be appreciated.

And finally, the Balon in the offing makes me suspect Tower of Pyke at least will see a reprint - and wouldn't The King Must be a Kraken be fun as well?

Stag Lord said:

He certainly does suggest a GJ "unopposed" deck for the set rather than a discard or Warship deck, doesn't he? The mention of Wex Pyke in the new product announcement reinforces that for me (assuming he's a reprint, of course). There are a lot of good GJ unopposed cards that could be reprinted. I'm excited to see if it really is an "unopposed deck" (there's part of me wishing for a location/resource control deck instead) and what they'll use to support the theme!

So...according to the product description of Kings of the Sea here:

-We get 60 cards (45 of which will be the core equivalent Greyjoy deck, at least 7 plots, and maybe 2 kings/queens for each of the 4 core houses)

-3D resin GJ house card

-Kingsmoot multiplayer variant (hopefully some plastic pieces a la core titles).

=price is $29.95 USD

Since the expansion is only $10 cheaper than the core set, getting a second coreset has more value for those that do not want a fifth (GJ) house, synergies with CPs, and a variant multiplayer game. Even if you want the synergies you may want more than one copy of the expansion for multiple decks. I wonder how strong the GJ house would be for casual players that only buy 1 core set and 1 expansion: since GJ will probably have better location control than Fleeing to the Wall (plot).

Now that I think about it...smattering of traited plots probably means 2 x Military Battle, 2 x Intrigue Gambit, and 2 x Power Struggle. This is assuming only 7 plots in the expansion and one of which we know is Greyjoy only.

Hmmm....

compared to the price of the core set 29,95 $ is bad news. Especially taking into consideration most players have to buy it twice if they want to build a good LCG deck... I had expected something like 110 cards for 19,95 $ like a half core set giving us House Greyjoy a plethora of plots and some neutrals for location control... How will it be now? Location control yes but only if you play Greyjoy?

Wow, what a surprise?! 60 cards only? Now I even doubt one deck and one House expansion is a good idea to sell it well. Perhaps AGOT LCG expansions should be some theme oriented and have a bigger mix of cards and Houses, exploring it (like in the past House Tyrell or Arryn themes, or The Brotherhood etc.)

I guess the next move for FFG will be a deluxe version of the Core Set with sculpted resin house cards for the other, the Core Set Houses

It's more a matter of managed expectations. The 220 cards, plus accessories, of the Core Set was essentially (and intentionally if I remember some of the early LCG literature correctly) underpriced. The 60 cards of the expansion, plus accessories (and a bunch of extra packaging, it seems), are probably over-priced at $30, but probably also not as intrinsically overpriced as the comparison to the Core Set makes it appear.

ktom said:

Well, one can also compare it to the price of a chapter pack. 40 cards for 10 bucks...

I have the feeling like I may not buy this expansion because if I do there will be more of them resembling a certain pattern like a Martell expansion that includes multiplayer stuff I don't care about a house I don't care about but 5 very powerful cards everyone would like to have twice or thrice so I wouldn't even get them in trade with other players... and as Max Wax raised the idea of a deluxe core set it would certainly contain all the cards I now don't need anymore but also 10 new cards you don't get elsewhere...

On the other hand if I want to play Greyjoy I need at least two of the sets and get the multiplayer stuff a second time...

The change to LCG got me and many others into the game and they say it is very successful. Is it a good thing now to raise prices?

$ 30 seems raeasonable to me. Its an expansion, so strictly speaking you don't HAVE to buy it to enjoy the game, but tis goign to appeal to people who wnat teh added depth and etxture that is missing form teh LCG modle at the moment. Personally, if it turns out that the groovy 3D hosue card added to teh cost (cause really - not muhc else in there seems to justify it0 i could do wihtout it.

I ceratinly wasn't expecting anything close to 100 cards, nor was I expecting a lot of stuff for the other Houses apart from the Plots and the Kings. Having palyed plenty of war games over the years, i am kind of sued to this sort of thing with expansions. (and we don't even know what's in it, so we cna't be sure you will need tow or three).

I'm still pumped for this.

Eh, I just lost interest. Even in the booster pack system at full price you got more cards than this. If we only get 60 cards I would expect around $15...I wish they would drop the extraneous packaging and extras...shame.

60 Cards is right about where i pictured it. The $30 would not hurt at all if i was only buying 1 box (and if i was not working a temp position i would have no problem payiong $90 for 3). Heres hoping that a) i get a better job in a few months and or b) there are enough reprints or c) i fall in love wiht another house to play at gencon...

Rukasu said:

While I agree with the complaint about the extra packaging (I'd prefer if it came in a better box to store cards in), I couldn't disagree more with your comparison to the booster system. Although you get more cardboard by buying boosters, you don't get a playable deck by spending $30 on boosters. With the fixed card system, you get an instantly playable deck, and can customize by adding more known cards at a fixed cost.

I've been cleaning out many of my old CCGs, and literally throwing away thousands of unplayable, unsellable commons and uncommons. One of my favorite things about the LCG so far, is that virtually every card is worth using. I can think of some games where my decks would be 95% rares, which is why I stopped playing CCGs.

While $30 for 60 cards is higher than I was hoping, I plan on buying at least 2 of these things.

mischraum.de said:

okay, lets continue this comparasion. 40 cards = $10, plus 20 more cards = $5. Resin house card = (well the old house cards took a lot of gold dragons to get so lets call it cheap at) $10. packaging (including the rules for a brand new variant) and shipping costs for FFG = $5. theres your $30, not unreasonable especially for casual players who will more likely then not only pick up one copy.

ktom said:

well the upcoming product page adds a bit more depth to the named charcaters. it says "This 60 card expansion provides the cards you’ll need to make House Greyjoy decks a reaving force to be feared. Included, among others, are Euron Crows Eye, Aeron Damphair, Asha, Theon, and Balon Greyjoy" add dagmar and wex and thats over 1/10th fo the cards in the pack. Euron and Damphair are usually forms of control. Dagmar is warships (usually) and asha and theon can go all kinds of ways...so i think you will see a smattering of tactics and still little unopposed.

I would expect most of the Greyjoy deck to be single copy cards, which are sligthly more expensive to produce, and the House Card would have sold me on this even if I'm not excited to build a LCG only Greyjoy deck. My biggest worry was that it was going to be at the $40 price range (considering the larger box). FFG basically has two sizes when it comes to making board games, and the smaller size would have fit the cards, but not the House Card, and it would most likely have run $25 (the same as any small box expansion). Paying the extra $5 is well worth it to me.

You know, I just can't really say that I'm a fan of the price or the number of cards.

I think it is a good bargain. It is like an expansion to a board game, which $30 is just fine for. *shrug*

I have to say I expected something like 30 $but I was also expecting more cards!!!

45 Greyjoys is good but then I thougt that there will be like 10 King/Queens (assuming that the GJ pack already has 2), something like 12 plots (4 of each trait) so there was some diversity and we dont see the same MB, IG and PS plots all around. And I was expecting like 6-9 locations (Kingdom) maybe each twice to make it worth, with all the new Titles etc, I was hoping to get like 100 cards for that price, and I dont really care about the House cards, it could be nice, but I wont judge untill I hold it in my hand.

Yeah I was expecting it would contain more cards than this too. Unfortunately for me $30US and a big box translates to a lot of money in Australian dollars. I paid $80AUD for the core set and now it looks like the expansion will be about $60AUD for 60 cards. Can you guys please print another couple of trillion US dollars so I can get a better exchange rate?

perthius said:

Trust me, we are getting RIGHT on that

rings said:

This made me chuckle.

I thought the price is about right for an "expansion," but then I expected a few more cards than 60 (and I am disappointed there). The house card sounds neat, but it would be nice if these sort of "extras" were optional, so that we could buy 1 rather than three to get our GJ playsets. In the end, if every card is different, then 60 cards should be enough for variety. (Even if only 1/2 are house GJ, if most of those are playable, things will be good.) A tourney-competitive deck plays a lot of multiples, so this should still allow for a lot of deck-building variety. Though I haven't been playing a ton of LCG lately, my impression is that GJ is only lacking 10-15 core (non-unique) playable cards. If they get those here, people may be able to put together something competitive.