Because I am anal retentive it buggs me that the heat storms and generally really bad climate of Ryloth is never mentioned in Long Arm of the Hutt (many citizens of New Meens are living in tents!). On top of this I know that the players will want to grab the speeder used by the bounty hunters in Ambush at the Old Lylek den. Naturally the hunters wouldn't drive around in an open topped landspeeder but prefer something more sturdy. The only covered landspeeder in Edge of the Empire's rulebook is the A-A5 Heavy Speeder Truck and it doesn't quite fit the bill.

Now, I realise this is an AoR board but with a bit of luck there's already a landspeeder that would fit the bill?

If not I've statted up my own that I need input on. Especially the grenade launcher - I am even considering removing it all together irrespective of what Wookipedia says. Cost is another head scratcher. I've based a lot of the stats on the A-A5 since it's the closest thing available.

All in all it seems to be a really good vehicle. Which I guess is why the Alliance uses is it. I've tried to tone it down somewhat and upped the price.

Vehicle Type/Model: Landspeeder/Arrow 23

Manufacturer: Aratech Repulsor Company

Maximum altitude: 4 meters

Sensor Range: close

Crew: One pilot, one gunner

Encumbrance Capacity: 35 ???

Passenger Capacity: 5

Cost/Rarity: 25,000 credits/4 ???

Customisation Hard Points: 4 ???

Weapons: Roof Mounted Light Laser Cannon (Fire Arc All, Damage 5, Critical 3, Range [Close])

Concussion Grenade Launcher (Fire Arc All, Damage 4, Critical 5, Range [Close], Blast 4, Limited Ammo 6???, Slow-firing 1???)

For comparision:

Concussion Missile Launcher (Fire Arc All, Damage 6, Critical 3, Range [short], Blast 4, Breach 4, Guided 3, Limited Ammo 3, Slow-firing 1)

Silhoutte: 3

Speed: 2

Handling: -1

Armour: 0 ???

HT Threshold: 10 ???

SS Threshold: 8 ???

Consumables: 1 week

Costs for Comparison

X-23 Landspeeder: EofE core rulebook 4,500; wiki 10,550 new

Trast A-A5 Speeder Truck: EotE core rulebook 10,000; wiki 130,550 - 30,500

Mobquet Flare-S Swoop: EotE core rulebook 6,000; wiki 6,500

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Arrow-23_transport_landspeeder

You do this just because you know I'm such a huge nerd I'll drop whatever I'm doing to respond, don't you?

First off, the X-34 listed in the book is supposed to represent pretty much any civilian land speeder, not just the X-34 specifically. If you want it to be a hard top station wagon speeder, just change the enc and passenger capacity and say it's a wagon. In the case of the encounter in LAotH you're referring to, this is what I would do (and in fact did).

But as I'm a huge nerd.. the Arrow.... using WEGs stats for the x-34 and the modified Arrow as a base of reference

Sil 2

Speed 2

Handling 0

Def 0/-/-/0

Armor 0

HT 6

SS 6

Type: modified landspeeder

Manufacturer Aratech

Max alt 4m

sensors close

crew 1 gunner 1

Enc 30ish

Passengers 5

Cost/rare 10,800/2

HP 1

Weapons:

Light repeating blaster turret

(Personal Scale) Damage 11, crit 3, range long, auto-fire, pierce 1

Forward concussion grenade launcher

(Personal Scale) Damage 8, crit 4, Range long, blast 6.

Notes: The WEG laser cannon on the arrow has almost identical WEG stats to the 74-Z, and since the arrow is supposed to be essentially a "technical" then going with personal scale weapons makes plenty of sense. It's supposed to transport handfuls of troops and provide supporting fire, not be a tank. That said, it's a technical, so the weapons listed here are but one option of many. Heavy repeating blasters, auto blasters, blaster cannons, no cannons, linked blaster rifles, missile tubes, all totally viable options.

The price I listed is the original price for a "new" arrow. But as I said, it's a technical, so how they figured it's "new" cost is kinda odd as pretty much every Arrow Technical by definition isn't going to be new. Maybe that's the cost of a new arrow speeder and the weapons and the bits and pieces to mount them? by comparison a "used" Arrow is listed as being 3,400, which since the fluff describes the Arrow as an old, beat up, souped up landspeeder, then I'll bet used is the condition it's probably going to be most available in.

You do this just because you know I'm such a huge nerd I'll drop whatever I'm doing to respond, don't you?

Thanks for you input!

First off, the X-34 listed in the book is supposed to represent pretty much any civilian land speeder, not just the X-34 specifically. If you want it to be a hard top station wagon speeder, just change the enc and passenger capacity and say it's a wagon. In the case of the encounter in LAotH you're referring to, this is what I would do (and in fact did).

But as I'm a huge nerd.. the Arrow.... using WEGs stats for the x-34 and the modified Arrow as a base of reference

Sil 2

Speed 2

Handling 0

Def 0/-/-/0

Armor 0

HT 6

SS 6

Type: modified landspeeder

Manufacturer Aratech

Max alt 4m

sensors close

crew 1 gunner 1

Enc 30ish

Passengers 5

Cost/rare 10,800/2

HP 1

Weapons:

Light repeating blaster turret

(Personal Scale) Damage 11, crit 3, range long, auto-fire, pierce 1

Forward concussion grenade launcher

(Personal Scale) Damage 8, crit 4, Range long, blast 6.

Notes: The WEG laser cannon on the arrow has almost identical WEG stats to the 74-Z, and since the arrow is supposed to be essentially a "technical" then going with personal scale weapons makes plenty of sense. It's supposed to transport handfuls of troops and provide supporting fire, not be a tank. That said, it's a technical, so the weapons listed here are but one option of many. Heavy repeating blasters, auto blasters, blaster cannons, no cannons, linked blaster rifles, missile tubes, all totally viable options.

The price I listed is the original price for a "new" arrow. But as I said, it's a technical, so how they figured it's "new" cost is kinda odd as pretty much every Arrow Technical by definition isn't going to be new. Maybe that's the cost of a new arrow speeder and the weapons and the bits and pieces to mount them? by comparison a "used" Arrow is listed as being 3,400, which since the fluff describes the Arrow as an old, beat up, souped up landspeeder, then I'll bet used is the condition it's probably going to be most available in.

I also think your price is off, mostly from looking at other similar vehicles in the EotE core. In the end I decided to go with two different versions. One armed (perhaps Alliance surplus) and one unarmed.

You have a very good point about the weapons. In reality I do not have enough experience to make a good judgement call but looking at the All Terrain Personal Transport on page 252 I decided to base the weapons of off that. It even has a Concussion Grenade Launcher. While I agree with your point about its weapons I do feel it should allow the players to duke it out with other vechicles as well.

I also felt that Handling -1 was warranted even though it's described as one of the fastest civilian speeders on the market.

Still not 100 % on all the stats but here is the new version:

Vehicle Type/Model: Transport Landspeeder/Arrow 23

Manufacturer: Aratech Repulsor Company

Maximum altitude: 4 meters

Sensor Range: close

Crew: One pilot, one gunner

Encumbrance Capacity: 35

Passenger Capacity: 5

Cost/Rarity: 10,000 credits/3 unarmed

18,000 credits/5 armed

Customisation Hard Points: 3

Weapons: Roof Mounted Light Laser Cannon (Fire Arc All, Damage 5, Critical 3, Range [Close])

Roof Mounted Concussion Grenade Launcher-this weapon's entire profile uses personal scale, not planetary scale. (Fire Arc All, Damage 10, Critical 4, Range [Extreme], Breach 1, Blast 8, Limited Ammo 20)

Silhoutte: 2

Speed: 2

Handling: -1

Armour: 0

HT Threshold: 8

SS Threshold: 8

A very solid suggestion. I do feel that the Thresholds are a little off for a vechicle described as protected by military grade armour.

I also think your price is off, mostly from looking at other similar vehicles in the EotE core. In the end I decided to go with two different versions. One armed (perhaps Alliance surplus) and one unarmed.

I also felt that Handling -1 was warranted even though it's described as one of the fastest civilian speeders on the market.

These are common issues you'll always have trying to convert older material. As each EU writer put something different to paper, and wookieepedia editors like to make everything sound like the coolest thing ever.

I based my stuff off the information (stats and fluff) in the WEG 2e Rebel Sourcebook, and compared it to the X34 stats in WEGs movie trilogy sourcebook and EotE.

In WEG fluff the Arrow is listed under "Tramp Shuttle" and described was an older speeder that's been souped up and armed. So its one of these:

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technical_(vehicle )

Its stats are actually really really close to the x-34. But this is after "souping up." Now, as a tramp shuttle, or technical who knows what the base stats should look like. Its a good bet the weapons are after market, but the rest...who knows...

I will say though, the "fastest speeder on the market" and "military grade armor" things are new to me, and these statements stink of bad EU or overexcited fanboy. Military grade armor? As opposed to what, civilian grade armor, suburb grade, maybe cheese factory grade?

Good catch on the At-pt though, I totally forgot it had a launcher.

Ah, so that's what a technical vehicle is. I assume something along those lines but thanks for the link, very intersting read.

I know Wookiepedia isn't the best resource but it is pretty much the only one I've got. I've never been into Star Wars and have precious few points of reference.

What you say has has merit but I am not sure it's worthwhile to draft another version. I'll have to think about it. All in all I have a workable solution.

Also I am pretty sure there's a general idea that civilian versions exist of many military stuff and that they are lighter and not quite up to the standards of their military counterparts. However, perhaps this is just something I've picked up from some rpg once upon a time.