Hello!

I use Robert Baratheon from Kings of the Sea to play "Any phase:" event from discard. Text on Robert -- If Robert Baratheon is the only King character in play,he gains: 'any Phase: Kneel Robert Baratheon to play an 'any Phase' event card from your discard pile as if you just played it from your hand. Then,shuffle that event card back into your deck.'

What happens to event card, if event was canceleld? Is it shuffled into the deck or stays in the discard pile?

It should stay in the discard pile. The "play from your discard pile" part of Robert's effect was not successful, so the "then shuffle" part of his effect will not happen (because anything after the word "then" can't happen until everything before the "then" has been successful).

It would be like playing Paper Shield on He Calls It Thinking - you don't get to attach a canceled "He Calls It Thinking" to a Martell character instead of discarding the event.

Thank you, ktom.

Follow-up question -- I have Pyre of the False Gods on the table, play an event from the hand and it's cancelled. What happens to the event card?

It goes to the bottom of your deck.

The difference is that Robert's effect is triggered while Pyre is a constant/passive effect. Canceling the event means that you don't meet the play restrictions for Robert's "then shuffle" text, but canceling the event does not make any difference in terms of meeting Pyre's play restrictions.

(Part of the confusion is that with Robert, it looks like there are two separate initiations happening - Robert's effect and the separate event effect - and that canceling the event shouldn't also cancel Robert. It's kind of an esoteric game situation, particularly when compared to the far more common replacement effect of Pyre, so feel free to double-check my answer about Robert by sending it to FFG directly.)

For reference:

"After you play an event card from your hand, put it on the bottom of your deck instead of discarding it.
Marshalling: Kneel Pyre of the False Gods and pay 2 gold to return 1 event card from your discard pile to your hand." - CGDB

A cancelled event is considered played?

For reference:

"After you play an event card from your hand, put it on the bottom of your deck instead of discarding it.

Marshalling: Kneel Pyre of the False Gods and pay 2 gold to return 1 event card from your discard pile to your hand." - CGDB

A cancelled event is considered played?

Sure. Nothing cancels "an event card", they cancel "the effects of an event card".

(3.15) Canceling Effects with Built in Limits.

Canceling an effect with a built in limit or restriction (such as "Limit 1 per phase" or "Limit once per round") does not cancel or negate the limit. An effect is still considered to have been triggered (or an event card played) even if its effect does not successfully resolve.

Here's what the FAQ has to say about canceled effects.

I sent the question about Robert to FFG, using 'Rules Question' link at the bottom of the page. Didn't get any answer.

So, for now, I use ktom's ruling and leave cancelled events in the discard pile.

Finally, received answer.

I asked:

> Hello!
>
> I use Robert Baratheon from Kings of the Sea to play "Any phase:" event from discard. Text on Robert -- If Robert Baratheon is the only King character in play,he gains: 'any Phase: Kneel Robert Baratheon to play an 'any Phase' event card from your discard pile as if you just played it from your hand. Then,shuffle that event card back into your deck.'
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> What happens to event card, if event was canceleld? Is it shuffled into the deck or stays in the discard pile?

Answer was:

"Robert's ability would fully resolve."

So, cancelled events would shuffle into the deck.

Interesting. I suppose I see the similarity there in that the event was still "played" with Robert's ability. I would then question where in the timing structure you are actually canceling the event since it seems you can cancel it without canceling Robert.

It's almost like for every game action a potential save/cancel window opens. This isn't made explicit in the timing charts but it makes sense that it would exist.

That would make sense in this situation if the event in question is considered to initiate separately from Robert's ability - say as a passive to triggering Robert. Do we think that's what's happening here, maybe?

They always use phrase "cancel the effects of an event card". As I understand, you kneel Robert, choose the event in the discard pile, pay event's cost, choose targets etc(play the event, actually). After that in save/cancel step there is an opportunity to cancel - Robert's character ability, or effects of event card, or triggered effect(again Robert's ability). Depending on what was cancelled -- "Then" effect resolves or not.

Stalking...

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