Comparison to WWII Fighters

By TheRealStarkiller, in X-Wing

I can't help myself but I ofen compare the spacecraft of the star wars universe with planes of world war 2. The question about who is which side should be clear ;)

So, starting with the empire:

TIE Fighter - Messerschmitt Bf 109E

TIE Advanced - FW 190A

TIE Bomber - Ju87B Stuka

TIE Interceptor - Me 163 'Komet'

(TIE Defender - Me 262)

Firespray - Messerschmitt Bf 110 'Destroyer'

Lambda shuttle - Ju88 Night Fighter

The rebels are a bit tricky:

X-Wing - Supermarine Spitfire

Y-Wing - Fairey Swordfish

A-Wing - P51 Mustang

B-Wing - P38 Lightning (or P47 Thunderbolt)

HWK - Hawker Hurricane

Millenium Falcon - B-17 (but less speed of course)

I'd say the HWK was more like a Boulton-paul Defiant.
Mk1_Defiant.jpg

..and the X-wing? With its lower nimbleness and higher toughness, I'd say it was more like a Corsair, Hellcat, or Hurricane than the Spitfire.

While we're at it:

Y-wing - P-47 thunderbolt

B-wing - Dehavilland Mosquito

Edited by Gazerfoxie

I'd say the HWK was more like a Boulton-paul Defiant.

Mk1_Defiant.jpg

accepted. This plane is even worse than a hurricane and it has a turret :)

For the X-Wing - well i guess there are a number of allied planes who can act as the X-wing counterpart. For my feeling its the Spitfire. The Spitfire vs. the 109 Emil dogfights during the 'Battle of Britain' are just like X-Wing vs. TIE Fighter skirmishes. In both cases the X-Wings/Spitfires were outnumbered by the TIE Fighters/Bf 109 E

For the X-Wing - well i guess there are a number of allied planes who can act as the X-wing counterpart. For my feeling its the Spitfire. The Spitfire vs. the 109 Emil dogfights during the 'Battle of Britain' are just like X-Wing vs. TIE Fighter skirmishes. In both cases the X-Wings/Spitfires were outnumbered by the TIE Fighters/Bf 109 E

I was thinking more like Hellcat vs. Zero. The tough, armored, and over-engined grumman tank vs. the ultralight, exceedingly agile and fragile Mitsubishi flying rapier

for me its the image of the mosquito that always comes to mind when thinking about the Y-wing, Guess it comes from Lucas useing footage from war movies(633 squadron among them) to give the feel of what the finished Fx should be

The A-wing is much closer to a Spitfire- short ranged, very nimble, a bit fragile. X-wings are more like P-51's- powerful workhorses, or perhaps one of the Naval Fighters, as mentioned.

The Y wing is more like one of the twin engined light bombers that also did fighter work- a Beaufighter or A-20/P-70. Someone here likened it to an F-105 once as well, which I feel is apt.

The tie fighter doesn't translate well to this, as though the 109's outnumbered Spits and Hurricanes in 1940, they were qualitatively similar. How about the Polikarpov I-16 or similar early Russian fighter? They often used high/low mixes of swarms of rookie pilots in fast, lightly armed fighters, backed up by veterans in more heavily armed, more difficult to fly crates to pick off targets of opportunity.

The tie fighter doesn't translate well to this, as though the 109's outnumbered Spits and Hurricanes in 1940, they were qualitatively similar. How about the Polikarpov I-16 or similar early Russian fighter? They often used high/low mixes of swarms of rookie pilots in fast, lightly armed fighters, backed up by veterans in more heavily armed, more difficult to fly crates to pick off targets of opportunity.

Well ... no. The TIEs are the germans ;)

Its the Luftwaffe vs. the combined RAF and USAF

isn't the TIE more like a Zero?

isn't the TIE more like a Zero?

no

isn't the TIE more like a Zero?

no

The TIE seems much more like a Zero. An engine, a couple guns, and the bare minimum structure to make them fly with great agility. not to forget, it was the Empire of Japan, as well. :3

plus TIE-pilots seem pretty kamikaze to me...

Conceptually yes, very much like a Zero, but ideally the Empire is very Reich like in overall aspect.. but again.. TIE does equate very well to a Zero.. lol

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Ties are Zeros .

Tie =A6M

Tie advanced = Bf109

Interceptor= Fw190/maybe N1K2 or J2M

A-Wing = spit

X-Wing = F6F

Mustang would be a A-Wing with an attack of 3

P47 probably X-wing with 4 attack

Beyond that comparisons are difficult. B-Wing probably not a P38 speed in comparison to others is too slow

Conceptually yes, very much like a Zero, but ideally the Empire is very Reich like in overall aspect.. but again.. TIE does equate very well to a Zero.. lol

The Galactic Empire does have some parallels with the Empire of Japan, as well. The feudal lord structure and some samurai like qualities to the Jedi/Sith, IMHO at least.

Ties are Messerschmitts.

Its Battle of Britain or GTFO

If you are using the BOB as a template then get rid of the FW190, Komet and 262 for starters as well as any Yank planes.

Gloster Gladiator FTW.

Edited by DB Draft

Its not enough planes there to cover them all ;)

So yanks are welcome :)

And now guess where I am from ^^

TIE Avenger = Me 262

TIE Defender = Go 229

X-wing - P-51 Mustang

Y-wing - P-38 Lightning

A-wing - Spitfire

B-wing - B-25 Mitchel

YT-1300 - B-17 Flying Fortress

HWK-290 - Defiant

TIE Fighter - Bf 109

TIE Interceptor - Fw 190

TIE Bomber - Ju 87

TIE Advanced x1 - Fw 57

Firespray-31 - He 117

I like it old skool, what about a WW1 comparison:

X Wing = SE5

Y Wing = F2B Brisfit (DH-9 with engine upgrade)

A Wing = Sopwith Camel

B Wing = SPAD XIII

YT-1300 = Handley Page 0/400

Hwk-290 = BE2c

TIE Fighter = Albatros DIII

TIE Advanced = Fokker Dr I

TIE Interceptor = Fokker DVII

TIE Bomber = Rumpler CL/Halberstadt CL

Firespray = AEG-G

Shuttle = Gotha

Difficult call between showing the speed of Fokker DVII and maneuverability of Dr I. The Triplane should have the Interceptors dial, no boost and 2 Attack dice.

X-wing- P-51D Mustang / F6F Hellcat

B-wing- P-47D Thunderbolt / TBF Avenger

A-wing- P-38J Lightning / FG1-D Corsair

Y-wing- P-40C Warhawk / TBD Devastator

HWK-290- A-20G Havok / PBY-5 Catalina

Millennium Falcon- B-25 Mitchell.

I have a lot more reasoning behind it all, but I figure I will just keep it to myself. I chose these as the U.S. comparisons and not the British comparisons that can also be made for the Rebels.

I love Star Wars and I love Warbirds and while I will never be able to work at a Star Wars Fighter Museum, I was able to work at an Airplane museum with these fine old Warbirds.

Just my opinions though I stand by the X-wing / P-51 / F6F, comparisons. I found these to be the most fitting for the X-wing considering that both created the most Aces in their respective theaters.

X-wing- P-51D Mustang / F6F Hellcat

B-wing- P-47D Thunderbolt / TBF Avenger

A-wing- P-38J Lightning / FG1-D Corsair

Y-wing- P-40C Warhawk / TBD Devastator

HWK-290- A-20G Havok / PBY-5 Catalina

Millennium Falcon- B-25 Mitchell.

I have a lot more reasoning behind it all, but I figure I will just keep it to myself. I chose these as the U.S. comparisons and not the British comparisons that can also be made for the Rebels.

I love Star Wars and I love Warbirds and while I will never be able to work at a Star Wars Fighter Museum, I was able to work at an Airplane museum with these fine old Warbirds.

Just my opinions though I stand by the X-wing / P-51 / F6F, comparisons. I found these to be the most fitting for the X-wing considering that both created the most Aces in their respective theaters.

Find it interesting that you would put the F6F and the P51 as equal based on the number of aces they created. The aircraft were very different in many areas. The P51 was at least 50 MPH faster, had better climb and turn rates, it was not as robust defensively as the F6F, nor di it have the dive rate. The weapons load was similar, and both did make a significant impact on their theater of operations. Then it is difficult to equate WWII comparisons to space fighter combat

Conceptually yes, very much like a Zero, but ideally the Empire is very Reich like in overall aspect.. but again.. TIE does equate very well to a Zero.. lol

The Galactic Empire does have some parallels with the Empire of Japan, as well. The feudal lord structure and some samurai like qualities to the Jedi/Sith, IMHO at least.

Indeed they do share some of that Empire of the Sun aspect as well..