Unless I'm much mistaken, this is at least the third thread in which poobaloo has repeatedly insisted that the rules say something that they clearly do not say, even after multiple experienced players have given him clear explanations. His errors are becoming more and more blatant and incredible. He's now apparently defending his position by arguing that any sentence could mean literally anything at all (with equal validity) and that "declare a battle action and spend 2 fatigue" is only one condition, after multiple people have pointed out otherwise?

At this point, I fear I must raise the possibility that he is a deliberate troll, rather than an unabashed fool.

See, this is where you go wrong. A, you resort to slinging mud when you find an argument you cannot refute, and B, even tho your argument was refuted by many poeple, it was not refuted in your mind and thus you call me a troll for continuing to debate your point as you continue to declare your reading the sole possible interpretation. At least I get Bash then? ;-)

But seriously. The wording IS ambiguous. I do see how it can be read, Antistone, I am not even trying to refute your argument, I am saying your argument is a valid reading, yet you ignore other people's also valid readings. This card certainly has two readings depending where you pause as you read it.

Since there is no imposed pause, the sentence is one cohesive thought. Based on your logic about reversing clauses, and based on other viable grammatical rules like one sentence - one thought, the rule is definitely ambiguous, and thus we must resort to context to choose one to play by, which all agree leaves only one interpretation.

-mike

PS... "which poobaloo has repeatedly insisted that the rules say something that they clearly do not say"

Please do not put words in my mouth, this is purely inflamatory and an attempt to somehow discredit me. I have insisted on no such thing, and you know it. I have never attempted to discredit or insult you, and in fact I enjoy the discussions with you, and have even learned a lot from reading your writings on many points. The "you dont agree w my point so clearly you must be a Troll" line is basically a hail mary pass in debate.

I find it utterly disturbing that this topic is still going on and is being argued so furiously.

Why? Because the argument is people trying to prove that they know the english language better than each other and the "only way" to read it is one way or the other. I agree it COULD be read that you get 3 attacks every time you declare a battle action, but I also agree that is ridiculous and generally renders the spending of fatigue for movement which the fatigue could GENERALLY give anyway doesn't leave much reason for the fatigue clause of the skill.

But whatever, I can see the point. What I cannot tolerate is this:

SOMEBODY WHO DOES NOT PLAY MUCH HAS ASKED A SERIOUS QUESTION ABOUT A SKILL CARD. And we are giving confusing answers because we all want to prove that we have higher reading comprehension scores on our SATs than everyone else on the forums. I think even those who want to talk about the wording of knight giving 3 attacks every time you battle agree that's not how it's supposed to work. I also know that I have played with at least 10 other intelligent people who all never even questioned that the fatigue must be spent for the extra attack. Maybe we're bad readers. Maybe we're just reasonable people. But the fact that there has been this mind-numbing semantical about what the card "really says" is just sickening...because I believe we are misleading a new player to:

a)forget common sense and just take these exact readings of cards without considering what is fair or reasonable

and

b)have to sift through these ridiculous arguments in the forum to possibly come up with what I think we pretty much all know is the wrong answer.

Big Remy is right. This is not fun. This is my last .02 dollars on this thread.

I do agree that the card states that you get the attack for free, but I would never play that way. They should have written it: When you get declare a battle action and immediately spend two fatigue, then you may receive movement points equal to half your speed (round up) and may make 3 attacks this turn instead of 2. Consult ALA and you will see that Antistone is correct. However, I am sure the author's meant otherwise. Oh, well. Does it really matter? The game is supposed to be fun. Just play however your group agrees. Too many overcompetitive people. Done.