Looking for advice on plotdevice

By wolph42, in Rogue Trader Gamemasters

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Recently I've introduce a plot device in my party. I have a certain incline on what it does but it has not fleshed out yet and Im curious to different angles other can give on this.


what does it look like:

Its a black cubic box. It remains entirely seemlesly black until touched. When touched the 6 sides show 6 dials (one dial on each side) the language/symbols used on the dials both on the dial as around them are or Eldar origin, where it appears (as if Eldar are not ancient enough) that the symbols are of an ancient variant of the Eldar language).

The outer symbols have astrolofical meaning. The inner symbols appear to be of a numeric nature (and with more knowledge are indicators of time). There are in total 36 astrological symbols and 36 time indicators per disk.

Also one of the sides of the box shows (in Eldar) the name Regias (which is the rogue trader of the player party that found the box).

the dials can be turned, but (this the players don't know yet), the box can also be twisted along every dimension (so along the 2 diagonals and 3 orthoganals). This makes a total possible combination of over one Googol (5e114 to be more exact), given that there are roughly 10e82 atoms in the universe, that leaves enough combinations to try out.



Where was it found:

on the 'dread pearl' aka Fionnadh, aka the Eldar Paradise Planet, form 'Lure of the Expanse'. Specifically, there were 20 webgates of which 19 were destroyed by the eldar, next to the 20th was a 'warehouse' where the party found this box.


Important background:

The campaign I ran is a mixture of 'Lure of the Expanse' and 'Rebirth of Isha' by TheHeavenlyLily

One of the partymembers was impregnated in the warp with a Shard of Isha, they made a deal with the Eldar to bring birth to Isha and then hand her over to the Eldar. This accumulated in an epic battle between a Nurgle Chaos fleet an Eldar fleet and the parties Vessel. This battle resulted nearly in a TPK, were it not for the Adaptus Mechanicus 'Rebellious Machine Spirit' Probe they found earlier (which prevented their warp drive from blowin up).

As part of the deal, the Eldar gave up Fionnadh for the shard (small price to pay for your goddess).


What does it do...

Well... thats the question. I have some vague ideas, but they have not fleshed out and as I said, im curious to other views.

What it currently boils down to: the box is Ancient and its a 'time box'. When the dials are aligned correct it will show an important event that takes place on the indicated time (could be day/month/year/century etc. AND it would be Eldar time line...) in the indicated star-system. The interesting part is is that it can show both events from the past as from the future.

To activate the box you need to set it to a certain constallation and time period and then press all six dials at once (players dont' know this). Then it will show an important happening for that time and place (if any!)

The Eldar constructed the box a looong time ago and after the falls of the Eldar (and Isha) they used it to divine her return, which apparently was at the hand of Regias (he was not the pregnant person btw, this was his Master-at-arms).

now here the vaguaries kick in:

- why his name on the box

- why did the eldar leave it

- what will the party divine

etc.

One alley I have in mind is that its close to impossible to stumble on a 'correct' setting by accident (If each 'setting' would take one second, it would thus take 1e114 seconds. The lifespan of the universe is roughly 1e107 seconds, so if you would literally have 'all the time in the universe' you would have gone through 0.00001% of all possible combinations). So *when* the box shows an event it will not only concern a major event (for the Eldar) but also concern the next 'carrier' of the box and only the next carrier of the box will 'stumble' onto the next important vision. To indicate the next carrier, his/her name appears on the box.

Should the players figure out to press the six sides they will see the birth of Isha and the handshake between Regias and the Eldar (last setting). Unless they start fiddling with and changing its settings before that. Eventually a new 'vision' will appear AFTER fiddling with it and the name on the box will change. Here's the new plot hook.


Basically the only thing the group knows is what it looks like, so its intention and working, even though I've given a description is not yet set in stone. Hence feel free to give your own interpretation.


Thank you for your input.
Edited by wolph42

It seems a little...odd. Not that the Eldar aren't massive on prescience, but (especially if it's post the Fall, so within the last 10,000 years or so) visions of the future are usually the work of Farseers, not technological devices.

The most gifted seers can dance the threads of the future at will, and see a thousand million versions of the future, and how to arrange the threads to bring forth or deny them. Given this, what is essentially a magic 8-ball with a combination lock doesn't seem to fit. Unless there's a reason for it to be that important.

The Eldar are known to have 'blind spots' - what the Farseers call 'Shadow Points' in the future which they can't see. Unfortunately (for the Eldar) a Shadow Point is often associated with an event or person of great significance, who disrupts the future so much you can't see past the event until it is resolved. Which makes any device which could see into them very significant.

Such a device might not be of Eldar origin, even if the Eldar use it (and presumably made the 'lock', knowing how dangerous it was. There are older races at work in the galaxy, after all, and several are known to have divinatory capability (the Necrons, for example, and some of the other races in the Cabal).

This allows for a second plot hook. Until they find the next significant combination, they won't get a useful vision. But simply activating it at the last settings will signal the original owners - the ones the Eldar stole it from - that the device has surfaced again, and (roughly) where it is. They also get to 'see' the person who activates it.

And they want it back.

Thank you for the input and suggestions. Good ones! I didn't know that the fall was 'only' 10k years ago. In my mind the device is much much older but it can have easily resurfaced after the fall or being brought into use then cause of the dire need, which aligns whith your next suggestion that it's not theirs... originally.

So an ancient race even for eldar standards... I can only come up with C'tan, Necrons and Yu'vath and of course Anyhting i can imagine, but I like to keep in touch with canon. Of these three the most obvious would be the Necrons as C'tan would be a definate TPK and yu'vath are dead, any others I'm overlooking.

Which brings me to the overall plot... What will be the next vision/epic event. And while we're talking plot, how would you imagine slaanesh and nurgle would react to this resurfacing of Isha.

Nurgle has lost his guinea pig which means very erratic diseases (not sure what that would mean). Also Isha no longer whispers the cure to these diseases into the 'world'...or does she?

Slaanesh on the other hand was after Isha after the fall and Isha sought 'refuge' at Nurgle, so now what?

Which brings questions like: what will these gods do in general and what specifically to the party? The latter can easily fold two ways: slaanesh either does not care or is positively interested in the party as his/her price is brought back into his/her reach due to the party.

Nurgle... I don't see Nurgle as a vengeful god but actually as 'Grandfather Nurgle' after all 'disease' stimulates progress and evolution (how weird that may sound). So I don't see a personal vendetta, his followers however might see this differently. But I'm open to suggestions.

In summary

1. What will be the next vision

2. Who are the original owners

3. What is the effect on the universe of Isha no longer being the guinea pig of Nurgle

4a. How does slaanesh act on the surfacing of Isha

4b and how to the party (if at all)

5a and b same as 4 but concerning Nurgle.

Edited by wolph42

Necrons do have some time/space flubbery, arcane devices, and they do so without touching the warp, so a cube covered in numbers and dials, filled with spin-joints, that might have something to do with time or space-manipulation would certainly be fitting. You might have a C'Tan fragment in it, powering/directing it, and driven insane from hunger and isolation.

If you like the Eldar, they ARE a VERY ancient race, and pre the Fall, they possibly built any number of nightmarish devices. Most would say that the Eldar (Craftworld, Exodite, Corsair, and Harlequin) all actually have improved, and gotten nicer since then; the Dark Eldar are still sadist pricks far beyond salvation, but that's their problem. Ancient Eldar might've made some such device. The Dark Eldar could, too. They murder their potential psykers, and enjoy murdering Eldar Farseers, too, but I doubt they liked losing total access to the knowledge of the future, so they might've tried to twist the souls of a Farseer, or 10, and find a way to make a device see the strands, and predict what will be, but without Slaanesh finding them. Slavers and raiders, specifically, could benefit from a predicting cheat device.

So Necrons with a dash of C'tan is The most likely candidate. (Interesting post count you have! And the this remark will only have a short lived meaning... As with your next post it's lost in obscurity)

Any suggestions on my other questions, in my 2nd post?

I didn't know that the fall was 'only' 10k years ago.

Yeah. The Birth of Slaanesh was the event which blew away the warp storms which had isolated Terra, and led to the launch of the Great Crusade a few decades later.

Most of the Dark Age of Technology/Age of Strife was mankind venturing out into a galaxy which - in so far as it was dominated by anyone - was dominated by the Eldar Empire.

as C'tan would be a definate TPK

They're not exactly ones to have 'devices', either. All C'Tan 'things' are of necron manufacture, after they signed on to the war in heaven. A c'tan fragment is survivable if it's a small enough fragment, and no-one says, for that matter, that it definitely has to get out.

Hacking off the necrons isn't a great plan either, though. :ph34r:

Dark Eldar is a good idea, too. Possibly less lethal, and with a ready-made link to the Dark Eldar available in the Expanse (see soul-reaver)

1. What will be the next vision

What should it be? Who cares. That won't be what gets shown. See 4b below :ph34r:

2. Who are the original owners

I like the Dark Eldar idea.

3. What is the effect on the universe of Isha no longer being the guinea pig of Nurgle

Possibly none. This is a shard of Isha, not a complete rebirth. She hasn't necessarily escaped from Nurgle, just poked an extremity back into the real world. If she were to completely escape from nurgle.....that's a much bigger deal.

4a. How does slaanesh act on the surfacing of Isha
Depends how he becomes aware. Slaanesh doesn't want Isha for any great purpose, just as either a trophy or a snack. Expect assorted daemonic minions to be deployed to claim her.

4b and how to the party (if at all)

Unless or until they get directly involved, they're beneath his notice. Afterwards, they're in the way.

Unlike nurgle, though, he has one other option to try and manipulate the party; if the box contains one or more eldar or dark eldar souls, a bit of playing tunes on their sanity will let Slaanesh manipulate the vision shown to the party. Which means they can be shown a vision which could influence their actions, and a name for the next visionary (who they'll probably try to deliver it to) who is in fact a pawn or willing servant of the Dark Prince....

5a and b same as 4 but concerning Nurgle.
Pretty much the same.

Which means a two-way battle between two of the ruinious powers with the players stuck in the middle. Of course, they won't get to see most of the fighting because it will occur in the realm of chaos, but on those occasions an attempt is made on their ship, you may well see both sides breaching and fighting one another as much as the defenders.

stuff to ponder on... thanks!