CUITM states:
R: After your opponent plays a form ability, play that ability as though you control it (paying no costs).
Program Malfunction states:
F commit: Commit one of your opponent's foundations. Until this foundation readies again or is removed from your staging area, your opponent's foundation committed by this ability does not ready.
What happens if your opponent plays Program Malfunction and you respond with CUITM?
You can play it as long as you dont negate the program malfunction.
Commits 1 opponent's foundation, which readies as normal during their next Ready Phase. There's no "foundation" for it to reference.
you can still negate the ability that you're copying, it just says after your opponent "plays" it.
things brings up the question, does the ability copied with CUITM resolve completely before we move past the colon of the program malfunction.
can red lotus negate it since it has the ability to commit a card in your stating area, or is that stretching the ruling too far.
Yes, you may respond with it either way. Yes, it will resolve before the ability it copied. And yes, it can be negated at that point by more or less anything that could've negated the original ability (e.g. red lotus in this case).
Probably should've asked a clearer question.
Do you actually commit anything when responding to PM with CUITM? What happens with the second part of the ability that is dependent upon PM being committed?
Because you pay no cost and have nothing to commit, all it does is commit a foundation of your choice. It can ready at anytime however, since there is not an actual committed card per Program Malfunction's effect to hold it down.
Almost there.
It's not that there is no "committed card" there...it's that Program Malfunction itself is technically no longer there.
See ruling reversal on Alluring Beauty v. Program Malfunction (grumble).
MegaGeese said:
This still answers both of your questions. "Paying no cost" means that you don't have to commit Caught Up in the Moment.
You all are close, but still not exactly right. Caught up in the moment allows you to use the ability as if you control it. So the foundation committed would stay committed until the PM you are copying the ability from readies.
It's as if CUITM added the text "You opponent may play this ability as well, without paying the costs" to the end of whatever card it copies.
aslum said:
You all are close, but still not exactly right. Caught up in the moment allows you to use the ability as if you control it. So the foundation committed would stay committed until the PM you are copying the ability from readies.
It's as if CUITM added the text "You opponent may play this ability as well, without paying the costs" to the end of whatever card it copies.
**Stamp for Aslum**
I...don't think so.
That was how Alluring Beauty was ruled - when it copies Program Malfunction, because "this card" (Alluring Beauty) is still committed, the card it committed per the copied effect would nto be readied during its next Ready Phase.
This ruling was overturned at Worlds by Steve. How is this situation any different?
Not to mention, by that logic, since "this foundation" does not exist in the case of CUitM, the foundation committed per the copied effect would NEVER ready.
These are entirely different situations. Alluring Beauty becomes of a copy of PM. CUITM does not, it allows you to play the ability, w/out paying costs. With CUITM you are playing the ability FROM the PM. With Alluring Beauty you are playing the PM ability FROM Alluring Beauty itself.
See the difference?
if its this way, does it even work on cards that commit as the cost to play it, and dont have the "playable while commited" text. maybe its the golden rule, but normally you cant play an ability on a commited foundation unless the ability says so explicitly
Ziephnir said:
if its this way, does it even work on cards that commit as the cost to play it, and dont have the "playable while commited" text. maybe its the golden rule, but normally you cant play an ability on a commited foundation unless the ability says so explicitly
Is Caught Up in the Moment a committed foundation? Or is Alluring Beauty a committed foundation after you play its own ability?
Tagrineth said:
Ziephnir said:
if its this way, does it even work on cards that commit as the cost to play it, and dont have the "playable while commited" text. maybe its the golden rule, but normally you cant play an ability on a commited foundation unless the ability says so explicitly
Is Caught Up in the Moment a committed foundation? Or is Alluring Beauty a committed foundation after you play its own ability?
taking the before situation:
your opponent plays the ability on program malfunction, commiting it as a cost.
you respond with CUITM to try to play the ability, but program malfunction is commited.......
the way aslum and antigoth have agreed upon is that the abilities source is still the program malfunction, and program malfunctions ability doesn't say "playable while commited", thus leading to the question, does the text on CUITM bypass the restriction of foundations not being able to normally play an ability while commited
The card says to play the ability as part of its resolution.
The golden rule states that if a card tells you to do something that's against the rules, do what the card says.
Otherwise CUITM would be more or less 99% useless. Did you mean to assume the already-situational card can ONLY copy less than 1% of cards?
So the ruling is that you play it as though you control the PM itself, and not the ABILITY of the PM, correct?
Same thing.
If you had a foundation that said "F Commit: Destroy this foundation or discard one card. Gain 5 life."
and you opponent used it (discarding 1 card) to gain 5 life, since the destroy or discard is part of the ability, not the part of the cost, you could destroy their foundation w/ cuitm