I was playing a couple of games the other day when I noticed something about my a-wing. I'm not sure if it is in the same scale has the other ships. I was play a squad with one of each rebel fighter, (a b x and y wings) and my a-wing was next to my y-wing. To me the a-wing looks really big. It is really noticeable when look at each ships cockpits. I was just wondering if anyone else has noticed this or if its just me?

If you drink the LFL Kool-Aid it is. Please ignore the 12 foot tall Sullustan and Mon Calmari in the corner.

I feel the same way about the A-wing, but I guess I just have to trust FFG. They got their info from THE source.

I did too. It doesn't bother me at all. Other wise if we worried about scale, then the 1,2,3 ranges is way out of scale as well.

The only thing that makes me go WTF, is the cockpit on the A-wing looks so big compared to the X-wing.

My thought on this is that the FFG A wing is to scale to the ILM A wing model they used for RoTJ. Whether or not that model was accurately scaled is a different matter, one that shouldn't be addressed by FFG. Also, if you watch the film, the pilot in the A wing is sitting much "higher" compared to the hull vs. in an X/Y wing, where they sit down inside the hull, and the hatch is just over their head.

Here are some pictures to show what I'm referring to:

http://media.liveauctiongroup.net/i/5736/8632912_2.jpg?v=8CE70FDFAF1B540

http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120629194350/starwars/images/a/aa/Awing-sag.jpg

Starship battles a-wings are far more accurately in scale, an not too bad model wise all things considered -

FFG got the official dimensions from LFL. LFL presumably got the dimensions from the film models in the archives. My understanding is that many of those craft for the films were created at a certain scale, but with no real-world analogue, the end result is questionable.

The A-Wing scale argument is an old one. It really just comes down to which authority you use. If it's LFL's word (which makes a good deal of sense from a publishing standpoint) then FFG did the right thing, and I think they're okay for that. But based on what we can get from the film screenshots, using pilots' head/helmet as a metric, the craft should be closer to 5-6m on screen.

My thought on this is that the FFG A wing is to scale to the ILM A wing model they used for RoTJ. Whether or not that model was accurately scaled is a different matter, one that shouldn't be addressed by FFG. Also, if you watch the film, the pilot in the A wing is sitting much "higher" compared to the hull vs. in an X/Y wing, where they sit down inside the hull, and the hatch is just over their head.

Here are some pictures to show what I'm referring to:

http://media.liveauctiongroup.net/i/5736/8632912_2.jpg?v=8CE70FDFAF1B540

http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120629194350/starwars/images/a/aa/Awing-sag.jpg

I like your theory. I remember when Luke jumps into his X-wing it looked to me like he could just barely see over the front console and the whole cockpit seem to surround him. The pilots in the A-wings set-up much higher which could explain needing a much larger bubble type canopy.

I think the problem stems from the fact that they scaled the A-wing to the ILM miniature, which is oversized by a good margin compared to the others. Every other studio miniature was about 1:24 scale since they used figures in that scale in the cockpits, but the A-wing used a figure which was in a much larger scale (I think it was 1:12 scale, or maybe 1:10). But I think FFG assumed it was the same scale as the others, which explains the size discrepency.

If the a-wing had been at a scale for the cockpit to match the x-wing it would be a tiny model. I think that must be a factor ffg took into account when they chose the size.

I've noticed that the X and Y look perfect next to each other, and so do the A and B. It can't be a coincidence that both matching sets of models had originals made at the same times for the same films.

I will just take FFG at their word when they say they talked to LFL, and that the dimensions they used to create the model are the dimensions given to them as "official" by LFL.

You really cannot do better than going to the source for your information, and that is what FFG did. Any discrepancies beyond that are really the creation of fans, and do not reflect "canon" in any way.

You really cannot do better than going to the source for your information, and that is what FFG did.

All the other sizes I've seen mentioned came from people comparing one thing to another and coming up with a scale based on that.

Which works ok if you have 100% accurate images to work with. But any time you're dealing with movies you have to account for the fact that scale is not always followed exactly and that they might take shortcuts or change things for a host of reasons.

For example I heard that with TPM, casting Liam Neeson as Qui‑Gon Jinn cost Lucas a couple million dollars because he was taller then everyone else they cast, so they had to add on a couple extra inches to all the sets.

If LFL says that the A-Wing is 9.6m then it is 9.6m.... Any other size comes from a less reliable source.

www.starwars.com which I'm guessing is official list them as:

X-Wing: 12.5 meters long

A-Wing: 9.6 meters long

So the FFG models should about right.

X-Wing: 12.5 meters long

http://starwars.com/explore/encyclopedia/technology/xwing/

A-Wing: 9.6 meters long

http://starwars.com/explore/encyclopedia/technology/awingfighter/

Ugh honestly no disrespect meant to the OP, but I may punch the next person who starts up a "is it to scale?" thread, especially with relation to the A-Wing.

Is it to scale? Yes. It is perfectly to scale with the information, models, and references provided to FFG by ILM.

A better question would be "Is the scale accurate?" to which the answer would be "There is no way to conclusively answer that and all FFG could do was work with the numbers they were given, they're at least attempting to be in scale *coughAttackWingcough* so can we please stop talking about this every wave?"

so can we please stop talking about this every wave?"

I think I'll have to make a post about this every wave... Just to make the Wookie upset.

A lot of people have seen various models of the A-Wings and have in their head they're smaller then the FFG models. So it makes sense you'd see this come up every so often. Most of the OP's of these kinds of threads have low post counts so they are new here, and perhaps to X-Wing in general.

Ugh honestly no disrespect meant to the OP, but I may punch the next person who starts up a "is it to scale?" thread, especially with relation to the A-Wing.

Is it to scale? Yes. It is perfectly to scale with the information, models, and references provided to FFG by ILM.

A better question would be "Is the scale accurate?" to which the answer would be "There is no way to conclusively answer that and all FFG could do was work with the numbers they were given, they're at least attempting to be in scale *coughAttackWingcough* so can we please stop talking about this every wave?"

Boy, you know how to suck the wind out of a fruitless debate don't you?

I know, I know. That's why I wasn't trying to pick on lynnferd here, and was being tongue in cheek.

It just comes up and gets rehashed over and over and over again about the same couple of ships and the discussion and the answer are inevitably the same. It's like being stuck in the Matrix.

Ugh honestly no disrespect meant to the OP, but I may punch the next person who starts up a "is it to scale?" thread, especially with relation to the A-Wing.

Is it to scale? Yes. It is perfectly to scale with the information, models, and references provided to FFG by ILM.

A better question would be "Is the scale accurate?" to which the answer would be "There is no way to conclusively answer that and all FFG could do was work with the numbers they were given, they're at least attempting to be in scale *coughAttackWingcough* so can we please stop talking about this every wave?"

Boy, you know how to suck the wind out of a fruitless debate don't you?

Oh if only that were true.

But like I said - no disrespect to the OP. I forgot you're probably new here and wouldn't realize it was a joke. If there was a better method of searching the forums you'd probably find half a dozen long threads about whether the A-Wing (and now the HWK is popular fodder as well) is to scale or not.

It usually goes back and forth a while. Someone throws out a number from the old RPG, someone else throws out a number from some technical manual or whatever, screen caps are posted, arguments are made, and eventually everyone just kind of shrugs and throws up their hands and says "well, that's the numbers FFG got, so that's what they had to go with."

I was just trying to skip right to that part, that's all.

so can we please stop talking about this every wave?"

I think I'll have to make a post about this every wave... Just to make the Wookie upset.

A lot of people have seen various models of the A-Wings and have in their head they're smaller then the FFG models. So it makes sense you'd see this come up every so often. Most of the OP's of these kinds of threads have low post counts so they are new here, and perhaps to X-Wing in general.

Let him have it. It's not wise to upset a Wookiee.

Heh. Sadly, I go into every game telling people "let the Wookie win" but they never seem to listen.

Let him have it. It's not wise to upset a Wookiee.

But it's funny if you can stay out of their reach...

Next time I'm in some tournament and lose, I'm going to rip the guy's arm off. And then when everyone looks at me in horror I'll just be all "oh like he didn't know that was coming."

I bet you'd do really well for the rest of the tourament... At least until the cops show up.

Next time I'm in some tournament and lose, I'm going to rip the guy's arm off. And then when everyone looks at me in horror I'll just be all "oh like he didn't know that was coming."

You say that, but it will come out "huuguughghg, aguhwwgggghhh uughghhhgh huuguughghg uugggh wrrhw hnnnhrrhhh."