Courtesy and Patience

By Joker Two, in X-Wing

I've seen a lot of pictures of people's fleets on the forums, and don't get me wrong, they're pretty inspiring. It got me thinking about the distribution problems the game's been having though. With the shortage of Wave 1 ships, and all the hype for Wave 3 preorders, we could all stand to buy fewer multiples of the same ships on release, so everyone can play with the new toys.

Particularly with the next release (the Imperial Aces Expansion) containing two copies of a ship model we already have in surplus, I'd suggest people hold off on buying more than one copy right away, since there's plenty of Interceptor miniatures to use the alternate Ship Cards with.

Be patient waiting for new releases, don't worry about proxies for ships or cards unless you plan on playing a specific list in a tournament, get others involved in this awesome game, and fly casual.

How about I keep buying what I want but live the "fly casual" motto by being willing to lend anyone anything that I am not using?

if FFG wants this to really take off they need to make sure that they produce plenty of the first series for us that are waiting and still have plenty for those who have yet to get into it. I know a few people who are waiting to see if they can get the expansions they want before they commit to even buying their core pack. They don't want to be where we are now a couple months down the road.

Suggestion noted....and ignored. Why should I curtail my purchases so those who don't have the foresight to pre-order the IA boxed set can get theirs? Not my problem.

I agree with this.
People panic buying is the one and only problem with this system.
YOU DONT NEED 6 SO DONT BUY 6

Really bad idea, all it would mean in the long term would be FFG produces less of them, as shops would sell out slower.

Edited by Rodent Mastermind

I'm not panic buying if I plan to pre-order two sets of the aces. I'm just ordering what I want from the start. I'm not hoarding and re-selling later. I don't think the folks buying for themselves are a problem.

Living Miniatures game, best thing is to buy what you want and share until the next wave. This way FFG right sizes production to meet demand. Otherwise the shortages will be permanent.

I just hope the guys buying them and hoarding them to drive up the price get stuck with them and their greed becomes their undoing.....I just want to have a modest set for friends stoping over and having some fun.

I buy more them what I need to play for a few different reasons. 1) RPGs. I have run Star Wars RPGs for years and it is a lot easier to run combat, space/ground, if you have the miniatures. 2) I let other people use my miniatures. For months I was the only one in my gaming group that any of the miniatures. Plus some people don't have to money to get a play set all at once. 3) Demos. Having the extra miniatures has been very useful at times. 4) Starter type tournaments. We run "starter" tournaments that help people get into the game. We set up small games using our own miniature so new people can learn without having to have miniatures. I have all the miniatures listed below, and I plan on getting more. I'm just wanting to see what repaints FF releases.

5 X-wings

3 Y-wings

7 A-wings

6 B-wings

2 YT-1300s

8 TIE Fighters

4 TIE Advances

6 TIE Interceptors

6 TIE Bombers

2 Firesprays

2 Lambdas

I panic buy. :(

I just hope the guys buying them and hoarding them to drive up the price get stuck with them and their greed becomes their undoing...

I doubt anyone who posts here does such a thing. We buy in the amount that we want and are likely to use.

Some people will buy more sets then they need models, because for offical FFG events you have to own each card you use. So for that reason some people will buy 4 Slave 1's for example, so they have enough upgrade cards for other lists they build.

Anyone does buy and hoard with the intention of selling them on Ebay for $45 a pop isn't going to stop doing so because someone asked them too. To them it's an investment, and a risk they feel is worth taking. They don't care what you think about them, only that they can sell what they got for the highest price they can get.

I think calling it greed is pretty harsh. It's the law of supply and demand, and it's on FFG, not the consumer, to supply that demand.

There are a number of reasons to buy multiples of ships, whether its to repaint or mod some, to get needed cards included,

I feel bad if people can't find ships, but that's not on me. I pre-ordered directly from FFG and I could walk into the Event Center and buy a dozen more of each Wave 3 if I was so inclined - they just have that many. If your LGS didn't order enough, or you didn't think to pre-order the ships you wanted (hypothetical "you," not anybody specific), that's unfortunate but also not my fault or my problem.

I don't mean to sound insensitive - I was going to buy and ship out at cost some Wave 1 ships I thought they had in stock, and will eventually do so when they get more in. By the same token, we know MONTHS in advance a new wave is coming, we know by now they become scarce fast, at least some places, so there are very few excuses for not reserving the ones you want well in advance.

If you want (say) a HWK and everywhere around you is sold out, and I just bought 4 at FFG because I wanted blaster turret cards for my Y-wings, I sincerely feel for you, but MY local store was going to have the stuff or not. And if they do, those ships aren't going to be magically in your store if I didn't buy them.

I just think it sucks to pin this on people who either planned ahead or happen to have better local supply in stock, because as a fellow consumer, making sure there are enough to go around by limiting my own purchases is both not how the system works,and in no way my responsibility.

I buy more them what I need to play for a few different reasons. 1) RPGs. I have run Star Wars RPGs for years and it is a lot easier to run combat, space/ground, if you have the miniatures. 2) I let other people use my miniatures. For months I was the only one in my gaming group that any of the miniatures. Plus some people don't have to money to get a play set all at once. 3) Demos. Having the extra miniatures has been very useful at times. 4) Starter type tournaments. We run "starter" tournaments that help people get into the game. We set up small games using our own miniature so new people can learn without having to have miniatures. I have all the miniatures listed below, and I plan on getting more. I'm just wanting to see what repaints FF releases.

I'm not saying people shouldn't buy more than they can fit into 100-point list (I plan on building up a fleet over time, too). Our group tries to do a lot of the same stuff for newcomers, it's pretty coll to see others doing the same.

I just think it sucks to pin this on people who either planned ahead or happen to have better local supply in stock, because as a fellow consumer, making sure there are enough to go around by limiting my own purchases is both not how the system works,and in no way my responsibility.

Didn't mean to come across as a complainer, but I can see how my post could be interpreted that way. My gaming group's actually caught up if we pool our ships, but I see what you mean, and it's definitely not any consumer's responsibility to limit themself. It's just a suggestion about how we as a community can make the game a little more accessible for others.

It's just a suggestion about how we as a community can make the game a little more accessible for others.

Not unreasonable, but what % of X-Wing players do you believe actually come to this site regularly?

Edited by dojimaster

I have been pre-ordering what I can afford to make it economical and them buying to fill in the collection at LGS or Barnes and Noble. At the last small tournament I want to, I gave away one of my Cluster Missiles Cards to a regular player who didn't have it, and I lent out a miniature and several cards so someone could run a squad with Wedge. It's actually better that I bought when I did, because if I didn't have the stuff to lend, then those people would be without completely, since supplies are scarce until the next reprint drops.

It's just a suggestion about how we as a community can make the game a little more accessible for others.

I think there are quite a few good suggestions posted in this thread alone that can serve towards that goal without anyone buying less than what they intended to in the first place. To restate some ideas: hosting events, demoing the game, teaching interested ones (including family and friends of course as all that have a desire should share in this game). I for one will have to deal with waiting for ships to be reprinted by the time I have funds to add to my current collection. That is just something I will have to deal with when the time comes. In the meantime, my friends and I can pool our resources when playing together and all that as well. Remember that old phrase "sharing is caring"? I think that can apply pretty well with this game.

Edited by GroggyGolem

I just think it sucks to pin this on people who either planned ahead or happen to have better local supply in stock, because as a fellow consumer, making sure there are enough to go around by limiting my own purchases is both not how the system works,and in no way my responsibility.

Didn't mean to come across as a complainer, but I can see how my post could be interpreted that way. My gaming group's actually caught up if we pool our ships, but I see what you mean, and it's definitely not any consumer's responsibility to limit themself. It's just a suggestion about how we as a community can make the game a little more accessible for others.

And I honestly didn't mean it to come across like "sucks to be you." I do hear where you're coming from.

More than anything I'm just frustrated that three waves in, granted with a growing customer base, FFG still hasn't managed to nail down (or at least meet ) the amount of demand required for ships. I mean I'd go back and pick up a couple more Wave 1 ships, if they'd ever come back in stock - and I ran to stores all over the state trying to collect the ones I do have from that wave. It's nice they're coming back, but how FFG really needs to up production a bit.

It's nice they're coming back, but how FFG really needs to up production a bit.

I kinda wonder how much more they can up production.

I mean if I were in charge of X-Wing I'd make sure that there were enough ships to meet the demand if I were able to. Anyone wanting a ship, but unable to buy it, is an unsatisfied customer, and those are bad for business. I'd like to think that FFG isn't so massively unprofessional that they don't know this very basic premise.

The fact that they've had so much trouble meeting demand may simply be because they are already producing ships as fast as they can, but the current max production simply isn't enough to meet demand.

Adding more shifts or even another factory for the sake of more production may be a huge mistake. Miniatures do not go bad, so it's not like people need to keep buying more X's or TF's to replace the ones they wore out. So if they were to double production they may very well find that they spent millions of dollars to fix a short term issue.

Wave 3 for example seems to not have quite the same issue that Wave 2 or now Wave 1 had. So perhaps they have managed to dial in the production level a bit, but fixing it for Wave 3 isn't going to get Wave 1 or 2 here in any faster.

Edited by VanorDM

They can't up production too much. They said at Gencon that the factory has been working non-stop. I think we are getting to a point where they can keep up and predict demand. The A-wing and Interceptor are already in line for a reprint, and last I heard, they weren't exactly in short stock at the moment. I think the obscure HWK was to prepare for Wave 4 production. I think there is going to be much shorter times of lack of supply.

This whole thread has got me panicking again. What if your request makes people buy MORE of these Expansions and there will be none for me to Hoard all to myself!

I just ordered 10 more Imperial Aces from several different secret vendors!

Joker Two, you'll never take my Star Wars Expansions away from me.....NEVAH!!!!!!

Wave 3 doesn't really seem to be having supply problems, and I doubt many people are going to be buying up the imperial aces in bulk when they already own a good number of interceptors.

Are you frakking serious? Not my problem if you bought in late, didn't plan or prepare. I'm all for patience and courtesy with your opponent when playing but not buying what you want so that there is some left sitting on the shelf in case someone else stops by? Yeah, keep waiting on that. I doubt the shop keeps will admire this plan either.

Let me guess, after the zombie apocalypse you are going to come over and beg for food also? Zed bait...

Patience has nothing to do with it, I buy what I need when it becomes available.

And I do need 8 TIEs, 4 Bombers, etc. :)

Not everyone limits their games to just 100 points.