Maybe even try 5 Green Squadron Pilots with VI and see if out manoeuvring is all you need.

I find anyone who fields 1D armies really boring. Maxed out TIE spam... it can win but now with so many gun boats around it is unsafe and inflexible.

People who then adjust the maxed out TIE spam to include vadar or bombers or shuttles etc those are the people who will adapt, flex and give me challenging games.

All right, InvestFDC, I think we get it... you like B-Wings. I like them too. But plenty of people here have shown you plenty of ways that they can be killed.

You're right that the GSP A-Wings lose the initiative battle against Dagger B-Wings. I haven't heard of anyone flying Daggers.

But since we continue to play this game... here's another squad that will similar vanquish the hopes of the 3 B-Wing squad.

This one has the advantage of increased versatility versus a lot of other squads. I would have preferred to keep a couple Assault Missiles on there, but this keeps it at 98 points, guaranteeing initiative – and therefore practically guaranteeing you can fly straight into the mouth of a B-Wing flight and knock its teeth right out.

Turn one you almost certainly can kill a B-Wing before it can shoot. If you're quite lucky, you also damage another. In exchange you may lose a single bomber. Even assuming you do, you still have at least one torpedo/missile left and 18 hit points to the enemy's 16. If you can launch again the following turn, you're in very, very good shape.

You could swap the proton torpedo for cluster missiles to ensure a follow-on shot the next turn, but I prefer a slightly broader allocation of resources just in case, I dunno, someone flies something that's not just B-Wings.

Or if you prefer risking a bit more on the roll of the dice, in exchange for raw capability:

He refers to Daggers because Dagger + FCS + HLC = 33 points. If you do 2 Blues you have points for Ibtisam instead.

I get it. I've just never heard of anyone else using them. But anyway, there you go: a squad that eats Dagger ships for breakfast.

I get it. I've just never heard of anyone else using them. But anyway, there you go: a squad that eats Dagger ships for breakfast.

That is very close to where I was going. For the record, I only fly Imperial due to financial restrictions, I only have the two X-wings from the two core sets, the YT and now 3 B-Wings. I am a big Interceptor and Slave-1 fan and really want the Lambda to work but once the guy with the B-Wings showed up it was like Saddam Huissein in Desert Storm. I love maneuvering with Soontir, Turr and Fettigator but all the b-wings had to do was wait for one shot and that was it. Back to the practice board.

I get it. I've just never heard of anyone else using them. But anyway, there you go: a squad that eats Dagger ships for breakfast.

That is very close to where I was going. For the record, I only fly Imperial due to financial restrictions, I only have the two X-wings from the two core sets, the YT and now 3 B-Wings. I am a big Interceptor and Slave-1 fan and really want the Lambda to work but once the guy with the B-Wings showed up it was like Saddam Huissein in Desert Storm. I love maneuvering with Soontir, Turr and Fettigator but all the b-wings had to do was wait for one shot and that was it. Back to the practice board.

/threadjack

you're missing out on PTL with having no A-wings and it's a very good upgrade on all ships that can take it, especially interceptors with a lot of green maneuvers.. i say it's worth buying 2-3 a-wings alone for that option.

also i really wish FFG would just come out with upgrade card packs for decent prices.. as time goes on i'm starting to lean more and more towards the imperial side and would like to invest exclusively in imperials only from here on in.. but i like my options and it seems that every single new release of a ship comes with at least 1 super playable upgrade card that no other ship carries and pretty much forces you to buy at least 1 copy of it

for example,

A-wing = PTL,

Firespray = Stealth Device

YT 1300 = Shield upgrade and Engine Upgrade

B-Wing = Autoblaster and fire control systems (granted the B-wing is the only ship that currently sees play with this upgrade card but i'm sure more options will come down the line later)

Y-wing = R2 Unit (can live without but still very playable)

Tie Bomber = Proton bomb and Adrenaline rush (not proven yet but i am highly favoring it and think it will see a strong position)

Tie Advanced = Squad Leader

Lambda Shuttle = Advanced Sensors and Darth Vader

/end threadjack

I get it. I've just never heard of anyone else using them. But anyway, there you go: a squad that eats Dagger ships for breakfast.

That is very close to where I was going. For the record, I only fly Imperial due to financial restrictions, I only have the two X-wings from the two core sets, the YT and now 3 B-Wings. I am a big Interceptor and Slave-1 fan and really want the Lambda to work but once the guy with the B-Wings showed up it was like Saddam Huissein in Desert Storm. I love maneuvering with Soontir, Turr and Fettigator but all the b-wings had to do was wait for one shot and that was it. Back to the practice board.

That's a tough matchup. I love my Interceptors too, and HLC does make life tougher than usual for them. But as an Imperial player you just have to be prepared to take losses. Play the target priority game on them. Or, put an ion cannon on the Lambda or the Firespray, then use the Interceptors to punch them in the flanks.

LOL, I am the one who has given him a bad taste in his mouth running 3 Dagger Squadron B-wings with HLC's and FCS. As I said before, I think it will get smashed with the right player, but for the average player who doesnt get to play this game 5-10 times a week he will get slaughtered by the B-wing list. Again, I consider myself pretty good at maneuvering and really play havoc with it. I almost never have a B-wing facing the same direction which means you are never safe. Concentrated fire with b-wing isnt needed. When your opponent is throwing 4 dice and you cant pin down his movements because he is all over the place its hard to win. 1v1 I am pretty sure there isnt a ship I dont think I could beat with a B-wing.

Now do I think B-Wings are as powerful as Invest, no I dont. I could probably beat them the first time I play 4 squints pretty easily. But I think I just think differently about it.

Played the most annoying game of my life last night against a list that certainly proved the B-Wing is not invincible!

I took 2 Blues (Targeting, HLCs) and Ibtisam (Adv. Sensors, PTL) against the worst possible opponent, and one I never would have expected: 3 Rebel Operative HWKs with ion cannons, and Wedge.

I'll make a long story short but I got in ONE round of firing, nearly but not quite killing a HWK. After that, the HWKs simply ion'd all 3 of my ships every turn, while Wedge drifted freely along my flanks, routinely doing 3-4 damage per turn. I conceded after 3 consecutive turns of this. One of the B-wings was down to 1 hp, the other 2 had 1 shield left each, and even with barrel rolls and boosts there was never any way for me to escape this eternal torment, for which my opponent was forced to guiltily apologize every turn.

So there you go. Surefire way to deal with B-Wings and drive your opponent to the edge of insanity.

I honestly think most of you are failing to see the one most important upgrades on B-wings. Screw HLC and FCS, those are for chumps and people that want to fly straight and die quickly.

100 points

Ion cannon added for filler of 3 points or remove it and you could change it to Ten Nunb. This would counter those B-wing counter teams.

Or my personal favorite right now, won the local tourney with it, games went as follow 2 aces 1 close game (HWK verse HWK) and 1 lose (Due to time).

99 points

If flown right and not straight at an enemy, this list does amazing. Heck I killed a 50 point Ten Nunb on the second turn before he had a chance to return fire. (albeit I was a bit lucky with the dice and getting a direct hit)

B-Wing Adv Sensor + boost or barrel roll + k-turn or boost or barrel roll + hard turn 1 makes for one of the most maneuverable ships in this game. People dont expect you to be in places that you normally wouldn't be. I find this a much more OP combo then HLC + FCS. That 1 agility becomes null when people cant even get a bead on you.

But this is just my thoughts, I have been playing around wit ha few different lists that I want to try out still, this just seems to be a one of the most interesting ones. You can critique it, but this squad fits my flying style pretty well so far.

No, I agree. Advanced Sensors is game-changing, but definitely much more effective on the high PS pilots than the grunts.

The HLC build is a much different beast. It can potentially wipe 3 TIEs off the table in the initial volley, while you're still going to take very little damage in return. That's appealing no matter how you slice it. In the game I documented above, I *should* have gutted one of the HWKs in the first volley, but my rolls were pretty bad. If I had pulled it off, it would have at least been a fight.

I think my favorite B-heavy list is going to be 2 Bs and a Biggs to keep them shooting.

I just do not want to go to tournament and see everyone flying B-Wing builds and neglecting the 1000 other dollars worth of mini's sitting in my case.

You have $1,000 worth of minis. No wonder all these waves go out of print so quickly. That's like 90 minis out of 12 different ones. wow.

FYI - I am jealous.

I have a friend who is really stuck on running his B-wing Squad.

Been having a real pain in the butt time dealing with it.

His is 4 B-wings PS 2 with accuracy Correctors on them.

Thats 20 shields and 12 hull points to get thru!

I have tried every combo of Imp crafts I came come up with within 100pts.

But no luck yet. Best I did was 2 kills.

By then my squad is so shot up I don't have the fire left to take on the rest of them.

These B-wings appear to be A-10s!

As far as I can see they seem to have broke the game.

His even starting to come to the same conclusion.

I have lost about 7 games to this list.

When we play without this list or his modified 3 b-wing list ! we have much closer games.

So how would ye deal with that list?

Thanks.

I have a friend who is really stuck on running his B-wing Squad.

Been having a real pain in the butt time dealing with it.

His is 4 B-wings PS 2 with accuracy Correctors on them.

Thats 20 shields and 12 hull points to get thru!

I have tried every combo of Imp crafts I came come up with within 100pts.

But no luck yet. Best I did was 2 kills.

By then my squad is so shot up I don't have the fire left to take on the rest of them.

These B-wings appear to be A-10s!

As far as I can see they seem to have broke the game.

His even starting to come to the same conclusion.

I have lost about 7 games to this list.

When we play without this list or his modified 3 b-wing list ! we have much closer games.

So how would ye deal with that list?

Thanks.

Chiraneau with Engine, predator

and a classic Soontir arc dodging goodness.

Kite with Chiraneau, flank with Soontir without getting into a trap where the 2-kturning B's will shoot it out of existence.

Just been looking around.

What do ye think of this list to counter the 4 b-Wing list;

Imperial Shuttle x 4 with Accuracy Correctors and Tactical Jammers.

Comes to a neat 100pts.

Same Stats as B-Wings but more hulls.

Super necro. But no dial. What your looking for is the Ac/dc list.

I've faced the following at a recent tournament:

Dagger (Advanced Sensors, HLC) x2

Dagger (Advanced Sensors, Mangler)

99 points

Very well flown too. Scary list for sure. I did manage to win but mostly thanks to Autothrusters on 2 of my ships and some good rolls.

If your TIEs are getting outmanoevered by B-Wings, eg one of the slowest ships in the game, you are doing something wrong.

Try those four shuttles by all means, by the way. Make sure to post how it turned out.

My TFer's definitely need more practice flying.

But i might try the Shuttle squad even though it moves like a brick.

Yeah, man, and those darn Blade wings sure broke this game all the pieces with their super convergent laser beam Wave Motion Gun BFG attack. Two-shotting a frigate on the first pass? That's crazy!

I came in 7th out of 8th with my 4 B-wing build. 3 of those games came down to minor mistakes on my part(the 4th came down to dice rolls really), and my opponents played very well. 3 or 4 B's is not invincible by any means. I was stomped by a Deci, an ATC TIE advanced, and barely lost to bro bots. However 4 B's is a solid list, and while yes it does seem cheesy at first, it is really easy to beat as well.

ACC corrector Advance absolutely mulch 1 agi enemies if you can concetrate fire

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I think my favorite B-heavy list is going to be 2 Bs and a Biggs to keep them shooting.

Yeah, that Biggs Walks the Dogs list is gonna be huge!

This is a good troll. I applaud you and hope we can be friends. Let's do a post about how Poe is terrible next, please?