Han and Luke interaction.

By 4plus, in X-Wing Rules Questions

I have Han Solo at range 1 of a Saber Sq Pilot (SSP).

  1. I role my primary weapon attack. 4 dice - 1H 1F 2B
  2. I use Han and reroll all of them. 2H 1B 1F
  3. I keep the result.
  4. SSP rolls 2 evades
  5. Luke triggers
  6. New Primary weapon attack. 4 dice -1H 1F 2B
  7. I use Han and reroll all of them. 3H 1F
  8. I use Luke's ability change the F to an H
  9. SSP fails to evade and dies.

This generated a bit of debate - friendly of course. My opponent thought that I could not use Han's ability in step 7 and if I could use Han's ability I could not use Luke to change the F to an H. Lots of questions.

Is step 7 ok, I figured yes its a new attack not rerolls?

Step 8. Is lukes ability automatic like the HLC change crits to hits or do you get to chose an order in which its applied like say if Han had marksmanship and you had only one focus it would be better to use marksmanship to change it to a crit than luke to a hit?

Lastly with luke as a crew member can you use his ability on the first round of attacks at phase 2?

Thanks.

By my understanding you have it exactly right.

Luke's adjustment can only be used on the second attack.

Edited by Drakhan Valane

And you can only reroll each die once per attack. New attack = new rerolls.

No die was ever rerolled more than once.

Then you were completely fine and in the right!

The card states:

After you preform an attack that does not hit, immediately perform a primary weapon attack. You may change 1 [Eye] result to a [Hit] result. You cannot perform another attack this round.

Are: "After you preform an attack that does not hit, immediately perform a primary weapon attack." and "You may change 1 [Eye] result to a [Hit] result." completely independent of each other?

Han shoots and hits, but I still get to change an [Eye] to a [Hit].

Han shoots and hits, but I still get to change an [Eye] to a [Hit].

If you have Luke, but Han hits on the first attack normally, then Luke never triggers and you do not get to change one of the die (unless you spend a Focus token, but that's an entirely different concept).

This only works when your first attempt to hit someone fails. When the initial attack does not succeed, then Luke triggers.

When Luke triggers, you can make another attack, and on this attack you may change one eye to a hit.

Regardless of the second outcome, you cannot make any further attacks with this ship this round.

That is what I thought,

Just confirming.

I disagree with this.

The card never states after defense rolls you may use Luke's ability. Luke's ability is triggered if you do not roll any hits or crits with your initial roll. Han gives you the ability to reroll all your dice, if you choose to do so then you reroll all dice and if you hit or crit then Luke doesn't trigger, however if you reroll with Han and you do not hit or crit, then Luke's ability triggers and you get to attack with your primary weapon and change the results according to Luke's rule.

"After you perform an attack that does not hit, immediately perform a primary weapon attack. You may change 1 Focus result to a Hit result. You cannot perform another attack this round."

Nowhere in there does it say if defender rolls and evades your hits. It is triggered when the pilot you choose attacks. Whether it be Han, Lando, or Chewie. If you do not roll any hits or crits on that initial attack then Luke's ability triggers and you may attack again and changing any Focus results to a hit result.

Step 4 in his demonstration should never have happened. He rolled a hit with his initial attack, therefore Luke's ability does not trigger.

The rules state that all attack dice are modified before defense rolls.

"Hit" is defined in Step 6:

If there is at least one uncanceled {Hit} or {Critical Hit} result remaining, the defender is considered hit.

So yeah, when it says "hit" it does say if defender rolls and evades your hits :)

It should have never of went to step 6. It should have ended at Step 4 as he hit on his initial attack. No had he rolled 2 blanks and 2 focus, then use Hans ability to reroll all the dice and rolls a hit. Luke isn't activated, however if he rerolls with Han and rolls 2 blank and 2 focus then Luke is activated and he may attack rolling again and using Han's ability again.

It does not say on Luke's ability that if you land a hit but the defender evades then his ability is activated.

My opinion is this is getting lost as everyone thinks you can roll hits then reroll with Han, then defense rolls and if they evade all hits Luke is activated. This does not happen. All attacks and modification of dice for the attack are done before the Defense rolls. So once again this should have been over in Step 4

No, a hit result is not a hit with an attack. To the best of my recollection the rules actually only use the symbol most times and use "hit" to refer to "explosions" minus evade symbols. A hit is an attack that manages to deal damage.

You are incorrect, Kane. "Hits" are clearly defined in the rules, and those are uncancelled *hit* or *crit* results. Uncancelled, which means if they were rolled but "evaded" then they were NOT hits. They were (filled dice) or (hollow dice), and are neither called hits nor act as such until after the defender has rolled and had an opportunity to cancel.

That is where I was mistaken then. I was under the impression the filled explosion and hollow explosion were hits and crits; being as the rules say all dice are modified before the defender rolls. Because of the terminology that is where I was wrong. My apologies.

No worries. FFG is pretty inconsistent with its terminology, which makes it awfully easy to misunderstand them.