Here's some close up contrast and compare pics for anyone wondering about the quality of one game versus the other. I should point out here, I grabbed the gnarliest of my Y-Wings - as you can see they did a fairly bad job with the yellow paint on this one, and the overall quality is actually pretty low, for X-Wing.

Here are the undersides. Again, my Y-Wing is pretty rough. But note that they simply painted the deflector dish on the Galaxy class, one of their most iconic ships, with sloppy red and blue paint. It's not even modeled.

Here's one that will really get you. They didn't even try to put detail on the Klingon cruiser, just a weird metallic green paint job. Look at the detail on the Bomber versus one of the starter ships from Attack Wing.

Here's my favorite part. They didn't actually bother to sculpt in the torpedo launcher on the bow of the cruiser. It's just a bit round shiny green ball. Let's see how it looks next to the underside of the Bomber.

Here are two last extreme close-ups.
Here's what X-Wing considers model detail. Right after is what WizKids considers model detail.

And remember, kids - an expansion pack for either game runs you the exact same price of $15.

On the other hand Star Trek ships have always been less detailed. Those look like perfectly passable options given the source material. My issue is that one of these games is enough and I like Star Wars a little better(although I'll try to obtain the Defiant via Ebay because My girlfriend and I started dating while watching DS9 back in college.

Thanks for posting that - I'd seen the expansion packs in my FLGS but seeing the zoomed in photos really shows just how bad those models are.

I'll happily give Attack Wing a miss I think...

And I don't mean to bash it - I actually think the system itself puts some very interesting wrinkles in the whole FlightPath formula, with cloaking devices and being able to Disable and re-enable upgrades and such.

All I'm saying is that any one of the individual ships above would run you $15 as an expansion (the two Trek ships are from the starter). If you love Trek and the minis aren't a dealbreaker, more power to you.

Personally, it's a little galling WK has the nerve to charge the same price point given the wild disparity in the quality of the models and paint jobs, but the fantastic minis are kind of what got me into X-Wing to begin with.

I do agree that WIzKids is asking too much. Particularly since they'd already had the ships, and someone else fundamentally designed the game for them. The card artwork is cheap, too, and just stolen from screengrabs. That being said, I really do enjoy the game, and have decided as a result of the cons that I won't be nearly the completionist with Attack Wing as I am with X-Wing. In fact, I'm pretty much only buying Romulans. WK just isn't FFG, and I take the example of Attack Wing to show those who complain about X-Wing's prices. Apparently, WK's, who basically just married two existing games together, couldn't find a way to profit with a cheaper price point.

Trek was awful as Clix...it didn't even remotely capture the heart of anything about Trek. Sometimes I feel like they licensed FlightPath to salvage any profit they could from what they sunk into the ships for Trek HC Tactics.

And I can't fault them for that. I just don't want them taking that out of my pocket in exchange for a cheap product (the minis, not the game itself).

Well, I've decided to look at it as an opportunity to paint and fix some things. After all, the game is still fun, and the rules do a good job of being different and viable. Each ship's stats are generally more comparable to a Falcon or Firespray than the starfighters, so that changes things a lot. I do like the Captain cards, and not having to keep up with all those base tabs. Like I said, though, my investment is limited. With X-Wing I tend to think I should own enough of every ship to build a pure spam list of them all. With Trek, though, I'm just cherrypicking, and right now the only faction that is desirable to me are the Romulans, even though WK's has this annoying belief you should be able to mix and match everything. It always leads to ridiculous imbalances that can't be corrected, but just chalk that up to yet another problem I have with their entire business/gaming philosophy.

Wizkids has a lower detail in models, since the first expasions of Heroclix, until it design, always keep a low detail, and FFG, has a high caution of this departament, they always make a good models, so X-wing always has a better sculpts in their ships, greettings.

Greetings, program.

Having seen the starter set today, I can see how they are worse quality by far. However the game does seem interesting, with slight differences. I can imagine picking up a tournament ready fleet, but that's all.

The models are bad and a lot of us have been repainting them. They also have a lot of flaws like my Enterprise D sat at an angle like it was crashing. The TOS Enterprise is the worst offender, and I replaced it with a Micromachine. One fellow found a cheap way to make mounts from the little plastic cable ties: http://boardgamegeek.com/thread/1025914/converting-heroclix-tactics-and-micromachines-to-a

On the whole, the rules for the game are pretty interesting and if you don't mix factions and run the missions it's a lot of fun. It's not trying to be competitive and balanced in the same way as X-wing, but it can be pretty neat.

The model and card quality is so poor, that I am completely passing on a game that I really wanted to include. I love X-Wing, but I wanted a system that supported fewer ships over swarms. Star Trek fits that bill with pushing a metagame that encourages 1-2 ships over sheer volume of pilots. I feel that this would be a good way to introduce people to the basics of Flight Path combat.

Unfortunately, the production quality is so poor that I will continue to give new players HSF to learn from.

I was on the fence about trading my x-wing stuff and get into attack wing. I love DS9 and the dominion war organize play almost had me hooked. Then I saw how awful the figures looked and couldn't do it. If someone else has a set I'll give it a play, but I can't bring myself to pay the same price for such subpar models.

That's where I'm at. If they were charging like $8-10 per ship, I'd say that's a fair price point. You pay less, you expect less quality. It just irks me they charge the exact same price as you pay for an X-Wing ship, for that .

Star Trek fits that bill with pushing a metagame that encourages 1-2 ships over sheer volume of pilots. I feel that this would be a good way to introduce people to the basics of Flight Path combat.

Unfortunately, the production quality is so poor that I will continue to give new players HSF to learn from.

Don't cross your fingers. The swarms begin in the next wave. The JH attack ship and ENT Era Romulan BoP...cheap as dirt.

Well Wizkids probably paid an arm and a leg for the Flightpath license. The market share for Star Trek is nowhere near that of Star Wars and probably does not grow nearly as fast, but it has a strong and loyal core who exhibit an inelastic demand for infinite variations of the Star Trek brand.

I would have dipped my feet into it, but the model quality is absolutely a turn off. To me, it shows that the company does not have a deeply thought commitment to the product line. They've banked on the margins rather than the sustainability of a game brand.

Here's one that will really get you. They didn't even try to put detail on the Klingon cruiser, just a weird metallic green paint job. Look at the detail on the Bomber versus one of the starter ships from Attack Wing.

Another fault with the Klingon ship is that the Bridge is wrong, it has been rotated 90 degrees, can`t see FFG getting away with an error like that, fortunately

The Attack Wing models are fine... it is what some people are capable of improving on dramatically:

http://boardgamegeek.com/thread/1043209/my-repaints

My repaint of the Enterprise D wasn't nearly so good since my attempt at stripping the paint failed and then I realized I could just overpaint, but still a bit of an improvement. It's mostly the attempt to bevel the edge and get a defined phaser array that didn't work out well:

I'd also add that the first organized play mission was pretty fun. In one game I had two Valdore-class (the good Romulan ships from Nemesis) and a D'deridex Warbird trying to take Deep Space 9, my opponent beamed over some of his crew and started shooting me with the station. He'd already taken out one of my ships, and I managed to take out his big Klingon vessel, while the Enterprise D and a Miranda-class started to turn around for another pass. So instead of beaming over crew to fight for control of the station, since its shields were down, I just locked on with my two remaining ships and managed to blow it up before he could engage. Then I took out the Miranda and hunted the Enterprise down. You get some pretty cool stuff form the event too:

In my opinion Attack Wing is a great game. It is based on a system we like, and it adds enough new things to make it noticeably different (love that some of the ships actually move backwards, for example). It definitely has a Star Trek feel, which was not the case with the Tactics Heroclix game.

I agree the ships don't look as good (still fine in most cases, though), and it's too bad they are not to scale. But, the game itself is definitely worthwhile. I think if they just did some kind off wash on them it would help a lot.

Regarding price, each ship comes with the same number or more cardboard pieces than the X-Wing ships, each ship comes with a unique scenario (some of which are pretty good), and each expansion has more cards than the standard X-Wing expansion. For example, the USS Enterprise Expansion comes with 20 cards. The smaller X-Wing expansions typically come with about 1/2 that. So, what they lack in detail/scale, they make up for with additional content. And, I wouldn't be surprised if FFG had something to say about the price so X-Wing would not be undercut if Attack Wing ended up being cheaper.

I love X-Wing, but I'm also a big fan of Attack Wing.

EDIT: Curious to see if we'll start seeing some of the nice additions in Attack Wing in X-Wing at some point.