Just to make sure I understand timing correctly....

By Butaman551, in 2. AGoT Rules Discussion

I've finally been able to get a few games in and am starting to feel more comfortable with the rules and timing structure. I would like to present an example of how I understand the timing structure, just to make sure I am understanding everything properly.

Let's assume I am playing Martell. We are in the Challenge phase, and I went first. For whatever reason, I have knelt all of my characters (perhaps I went on a major offensive).

Cards of note: I have Areo Hotah (PotS version) on the table (knelt) and a Red Vengeance in my hand. I also have Quentyn Martell attached as an agenda, so my unique Martell characters all have Vengeful.

Opponent sees and opening and moves in for the kill, sending in more than 4 strength on a Military challenge.

So according to the timing:

Step 1: Determine Winer of challenge

Step 2: Challenge Result is implemented.

Step 3: Reward for unopposed challenge is awarded.

Step 4: Renown is awarded.

We determine my opponent to be the winner in step 1 and in step 2 I would have to kill one of my characters. This is the point I'm assuming I would play Red Vengeance since it cancels a claim effect. So I play it here and my opponent would have to kill one of his characters (assuming a claim value of 1). The character my opponent chooses to kill for claim would become Moribund (dead) at this point, but would not actually leave play with regards to passive or effects or responses. Any attachments on said character would become Moribund (discard), but would also still be in play.

He still won the challenge, so he would claim one power for unopposed and then any participating characters on his side with renown would gain one power.

Now that we have finished the framework steps, the window for passive effects would open. I'm guessing my Vengeful keyword would trigger here and all of my guys would stand up at this point.

After that, a window opens up for responses. If I'm right, this is where I could use Areo Hotah's ability (since he is now standing from Vengeful) to kill one of my opponents characters (which would also become Moribund (dead) at this point). If my opponent's characters (including the two Moribund (dead) characters) had any eligible responses, they could also be triggered at this time.

Finally, the Framework Action Window would close and the two Moribund (dead) cards would officially die and are placed in the dead pile, while any attachments that were attached to them would enter the discard pile.

I'm guessing I got (most of) this right, but I want to be sure. We have been playing somewhat loose up till now, but I think it is going to become more and more important to perform all of the steps in the right sequence.

Sorry if this is too simple for most of you. Thanks for any feedback or corrections you can give me.

Edited by Butaman551

You nailed it.

Well done.

It's a very intricate timing structure, but you seem to have a very solid grasp of it, so kudos. One small correction I want to make, just to err on the side of caution, is that when you said each of his participating characters get one power, it should have been that each character with the renown keyword gets one power. You probably already knew that, but one can never be too careful.

It's a very intricate timing structure, but you seem to have a very solid grasp of it, so kudos. One small correction I want to make, just to err on the side of caution, is that when you said each of his participating characters get one power, it should have been that each character with the renown keyword gets one power. You probably already knew that, but one can never be too careful.

Good catch. Thanks! I edited my original post to reflect the correction.