Please dont tie AP to Ag ! Agility is too powerful already.

Why not tkae Perception or Intelligence to show tactical overview ?

I agree with Gaunt. If you have higher agility, you already move faster. Why could you take a better aim (more ap's for it) with faster hands / better reaction time? It has nothing to do with it!

I dont think we should tie action points to anything. It doesn't have any logic behind it and makes agility unbalanced!

There is already a talent which gives you an additional reaction.

Making the action economy variable by character stats is a risky move. It's terribly hard to balance it and usually just ends up with whoever has the most combat actions wins. Whatever you tie AP to to give you more of it - consider that characters who aim for more AP will already be better at combat than say a knowledge-focused character, so not only are their combat actions more effective, they get more of them as well.

I agree with Gaunt. If you have higher agility, you already move faster. Why could you take a better aim (more ap's for it) with faster hands / better reaction time? It has nothing to do with it!

I dont think we should tie action points to anything. It doesn't have any logic behind it and makes agility unbalanced!

There is already a talent which gives you an additional reaction.

Speed has everything to do with it. You can take time to aim, or you can be fast enough to aim quickly and accurately. When I was in the army and down on the range, I'd usually go back to my unit with a sharpshooter or hawkeye qualification because I was able to quickly identify the pop ups, fire my weapon, and ready myself without wasting too much time (except for, of course, when my dang rifle jammed).

Reaction time and speed of hand-eye coordination is directly tied to it, and makes perfect logic (if you actually know what it's like).

Making the action economy variable by character stats is a risky move. It's terribly hard to balance it and usually just ends up with whoever has the most combat actions wins. Whatever you tie AP to to give you more of it - consider that characters who aim for more AP will already be better at combat than say a knowledge-focused character, so not only are their combat actions more effective, they get more of them as well.

I really don't see how a combat-focused character being better in combat over a knowledge-focused character as being a bad thing. It may hard to balance contained within the context of combat, but in the overall schema every role should be really good at something that the other roles can only be envious of.

Making the action economy variable by character stats is a risky move. It's terribly hard to balance it and usually just ends up with whoever has the most combat actions wins. Whatever you tie AP to to give you more of it - consider that characters who aim for more AP will already be better at combat than say a knowledge-focused character, so not only are their combat actions more effective, they get more of them as well.

I really don't see how a combat-focused character being better in combat over a knowledge-focused character as being a bad thing. It may hard to balance contained within the context of combat, but in the overall schema every role should be really good at something that the other roles can only be envious of.

Combat oriented characters will already be better at combat than knowledge characters. Giving combat characters more actions than others just widens the divide, which could lead to one character totally dominating encounters while others struggle to contribute.

I'd really like to see an example of variable combat actions done well, but I'm not sure I want to see that in DH2 (mostly because I don't trust FFG to make a balanced game as it is).

Bump. Please see post #98, this thread, for an example of Ag-based AP (movement).

I know no one commenting after my post have yet to see it (based on context), so I'd first like to say this:

I'm suggesting a variable AP mechanic based upon Agility, but the limit is 6 AP barring a certain few Talents and Unnatural Agility, of course. I'm just looking for feedback, not something that will devolve into argumentative rubbish and hate speech. If it turns that direction, I'll simply withhold all else regarding my take on Ag-based AP in the interest of a civil forum.

I think coming at it from the view point of "he who has the most AP wins" is fine, if you stop to think that implies a one-on-one scenario against a normal human opponent that may or may not be more agile than yourself. Make the human an Eldar, then it becomes unfair, but only as far as the Agility bar is raised. However, in a "mass combat" scenario, one where all or most of the PCs are engaged in combat against a variable number of adversaries, the outcome is even farther from being certain.

NPCs will work together in combat. This could be considered as "pooling" the AP. Players can do the same, making up for some characters having less AP than others. As I see it, using your AP for yourself in any situation where its resource can be "pooled" (read as cooperation) to achieve tactical superiority is selfish and detrimental. Yes, an impressively learned archaeologist is likely less skilled with a revolver than Indiana Jones. But, Jones' father didn't use a gun, he used an umbrella...

Speed has everything to do with it. You can take time to aim, or you can be fast enough to aim quickly and accurately. When I was in the army and down on the range, I'd usually go back to my unit with a sharpshooter or hawkeye qualification because I was able to quickly identify the pop ups, fire my weapon, and ready myself without wasting too much time (except for, of course, when my dang rifle jammed).

Reaction time and speed of hand-eye coordination is directly tied to it, and makes perfect logic (if you actually know what it's like).

Yes, speed is tied to it, but agility measures your reaction time (and that 0.1 second is already included in initiative) and how fast you can move. Now, if you were quick and accurate in aiming, the reason for that was not your physical speed (agility), rather the swiftness and accuracy of your hand-eye coordination. Which is ballistic skill.

Having a high BS already means that your average shot which takes no more than 2 seconds (no ap used for aiming) is aimed quickly and accurately.

I wouldn't say no to a talent that lets you get an extra AP if you pass an agility test.

It can also be discussed, if reaction time is more tied to agility or to perception.

It could even be intelligence.

In general, I also would hardcap the AP to 4...variability here is too unpredictable.

IF it should be varied, then please with a talent that gives you 5 (never more), like Lightning Reflexes.

This talent should be expensive (600XP!) and it should hae high prerequisitves, maybe Ag AND Per each 55+

To speed up combat, remove AP from mooks. Instead, give them a handful of basic, broad actions they can perform (move, shoot, utility, etc.) and allow them to do one (two?) per round. Elites can keep 4 AP, while masters could have variable AP, depending on the NPC (ie. a Keeper of Secrets might have 6 or even more).

I think keeping 4 for novice might even be easier than a special rule for them.

After a while you are used to the 4 and every different value will make it more complicated.

Good point. Also all characters, both PC and NPC, should have the same statlines, skills, talents and equipment; that'll make things easier to remember.

In the current scaling before the beta, this is at least true for a lot of characteristic stats anyway

The equipment is more important than looking at the stats.

But your are right, maybe it is better, if we give them AP depending on a mix of their current mood, the weather and the ki d of shoes they are wearing.

There is a talent named Combat Sense which allows you to use your perception bonus for initiative.

I think both agility and perception are possible. If you prefer a more detailed way of combat, you can always say which bonus players can use depending on the situation.

You hear/see a monster rushing at you from the back/side? I'd say you should use perception in this case. After all, not only your reaction time matters (you don't even know whether you will be attacked or not), but also how soon you hear/see the monster.

In a case where you plan to attack someone, you should use agility, because you already know what's going to happen, no case for perception here.

It might not be a bad idea to use agility when you are attacking someone, and to use perception if you are being attacked (ofc. this doesn't stand when something just comes out from a room and starts shooting at you). Similarly to how the new Star Wars deals with initiative.

I vote no for int

I think keeping 4 for novice might even be easier than a special rule for them.

You may be right. One of the things I was dreading with the new AP system was keeping track of each NPCs AP totals, but a friend of mine pointed out that most NPCs will only be doing one thing in combat (all-offensive, all-defensive, or all-support); only 'Master'-level NPCs will likely be optimizing their tactical options, which will reduce the book-keeping a bit...

Keep in mind that 4 APs was calculated to make the Beta 's RoF system work; with the game becoming 'compatible' now, that RoF system will almost certainly go the way of the dodo, so I would recommend thinking in terms of 3 AP- the equivillant of what Only War characters get (two Half Actions and one Reaction).

And, certainly, giving everyone the same number of Actions each turn is much simpler that basing it on Agility Bonus, but it's also much less realistic (a bumbling Ork and an ultra-graceful Harlequin can only perform the same number of manouvers in the same time-frame?!). Sometimes gamers just have to bite the bullet and accept less-realistic rule-sets in order to make the game work; but (and this is just me stirring the hornet's nest ) isn't that exactly what you were complaining about with Hit Point vs. Narrative Damage...?

Considering a harlequin has an agility around 70, he moves 3 times more than an orc with ONE movement action. Not only the quantity of the movements count, but also the quality.

I dont know what's the deal with these npc levels, I don't use them. I think just because they are not inquisitors, they can think and use their AP's logically.

It's good to prepare which actions npc's will take based on their skills and weapons. Once you have it, you just need to roll. A heretic firing an autogun from cover is likely going to aim and shoot at least for some rounds. (more than enough time for him to die)

Things that I hope will be kept…

- Action Points.

- Influence instead of currency.

- Subtlety.

- Separate “Perils of the Warp” tables for different categories of Psyker powers.

- Small number of broad skills (including Remembrance) which can be linked to multiple characteristics for different uses; augmented by Specialty talents which pertain to multiple skills (rather than having heaps of specialty skills).

- Evasion reducing degrees of success rather than eliminating them completely or not at all.

- I wouldn’t mind if characters start off less powerful, but I’d hate to see their growth arbitrarily capped off. Inquisitors are typically portrayed as larger-than-life individuals, and I think characters should have the potential to grow to great heights in the course of a long-term campaign.

- Linking penetration to Perception for sniping weapons (though I think they need to be made a bit more effective against vehicles).

- Role determining how expensive things are rather than what you can or can’t have.

- Agility-capping armor.

Things I hope will be changed…

- Less cumbersome wound system; maybe only consulting tables for critical wounds.

My two cents on other issues…

- On the full-auto issue, I actually kinda like how Classic World of Darkness handled it. Full auto made you more likely to hit and do more damage, but you burned through ammo really fast. So you might accomplish more in the first round or two; but if that first round or two didn’t drop the enemy, you were now out of ammo and possibly screwed.

- I think it would be a very bad idea to tie AP to any characteristic. I don’t mind the idea of talents that give you extra AP for specific tasks, but I think all PC’s (and most name-brand NPC’s) should have the same base number.

I mostly agree with you, Vorvakk. I was just 'spit-balling' when I suggested using Agility Bonus as the basis for Action Points. It makes sense thematically, but would undoubtedly cause balance problems.

Alright, here's an edit/update. It's long. O God-Emperor, is it long.

I'm re-posting some of the preamble so new readers get some context. It's going to take me a bit to get font color readable, so be patient.

For those of you that scroll and think "tl;dr": meh.

I (personally) have never experienced significant (or even memorable) glitches when using DH1e's Action mechanics. However, looking through DH2e Beta's proposed mechanic and that of Inquisitor, I have been inspired to visit (within a vacuum) a hyrbid mechanic based heavily upon Agility rather than a (presumably) balanced static number of AP (such as proposed by DH2e's developers).

As for my perspective, fractional AP is an unnecessary complexity. I'd rather keep things simple.

There are just a few things to remember when digesting this hybrid mechanic:

• It is intended to replace the current Half/Full Action mechanics in DH1e and its successor game lines.
• It assumes the continued use of Unnatural Characteristics as they are presented in Black Crusade and Only War.

Shall we begin?

Agility Bonus plus one (AgB+1) determines the number of Action Points a PC can use in his/her Turn. The number of AP any PC may have is limited to 7, unless he/she possesses Unnatural Agility and/or certain (few) Talents/Traits. Very simple.

Using AP is as simple as taking a series of Actions, spending the requisite AP while so doing. If the PC does not have enough AP to perform an Action, then he/she may not take that Action. Very simple.

Some Actions may be combined, such as the All-Out Attack Combat Action with the Charge Movement Action, and these combinations will be detailed in an Action's description.

Unless otherwise explicit, PCs may spend AP to take Actions in any order they choose. Additionally, PCs are not required to spend all of their available AP immediately during their Turn - a PC may "hold back" one or more AP (aka Delaying) to take the Attack of Opportunity Combat Action, the Psychic Resistance Psychic Action, and certain other Actions (see the Delay Utility Action for more detail).

Next, Actions themselves must be clearly defined, and each must be assigned a number of required AP in order to undertake them. There are four basic categories of Actions:

• Combat/Evasion- Making and evading melee and ranged attacks
• Movement- Changing of stance, idling, crawling, walking, running/charging, and sprinting/fleeing
• Psychic- The manifestation of Psychic Powers, as well as resisting their non-combat effects
• Utility- Readying items/weapons for use and/or the application of Skills, also Delay

Movement and positioning are vital to interaction within the role play setting. How far can I move? How fast can I move? How long will it take me to move from point A to point B? There are other considerations, as well- what kind of Actions can I perform while I'm moving?

Following are the Movement Action types and their AP costs:

• Change Stance- A PC has three Stance options: Standing, Crouching/Kneeling, and Prone. Stance determines what other Movement Actions a PC may take. For example, a PC who has been knocked Prone in melee combat cannot Flee until spending 1 AP to change his/her Stance to Standing. A PC may freely switch from any option to any other option (such as from Standing to Prone, or from Prone to Crouching/Kneeling) at the cost of 1 AP . PCs that cannot Stand may not take a Walk, Run/Charge, or Sprint/Flee Movement Action, they may only Crawl/Sneak. Ranged Combat Tests made at Medium to Extreme Range against Prone targets suffer a -20 penalty. Evasion Tests made by Standing PCs are Challenging (+/-0), Evasion Tests made by Crouching/Kneeling PCs are Difficult (-10), and Evasion Tests made by Prone PCs are Hard (-20).
• Idle Rate- The PC does not Change Stance or move. Zero AP are spent .
• Crawl/Sneak Rate- A PC may Crawl if he/she is already in the Crouching/Kneeling or Prone Stance, and may Sneak in any Stance. A PC may Crawl up to 3 meters for each 1 AP spent, or Sneak up to 2 meters for each 1 AP spent . Crawling is useful when attempting to remain obscured or out of sight, and is usually done by moving behind low barriers or obstacles, while Sneaking is a cautious movement from one place to another with great care given toward remaining silent. Sneaking PCs may be detected up to a number of meters distant equal to one-quarter of the listener's Perception score (rounded up) with a successful Challenging (+/-0) Awareness Test- the Awareness Test may be further modified by the surface material, litter and other detritus, background noise, and surrounding structures/baffles (or the lack thereof). Crawling PCs that are not also Sneaking are detected as if they were Walking (see below). PCs may Engage opponents in melee by way of making a Sneak move (aka a Sneak Attack Combat Action as part of the Sneak move), and if their opponent is Unaware they will receive a +20 bonus to their Weapon Skill Test and bonus Damage equal to the DoS on their to-hit roll. Unaware targets may not Evade Sneak Attacks . Evasions made by Sneaking PCs are modified by their Stance until the beginning of his/her following Turn (Crouching/Kneeling: -10, Prone: -20).
• Walk Rate- A PC may Walk if he/she is already Standing or Crouching. A PC may Walk up to 4 meters for each 1 AP spent . Walking is an unhurried movement from one place to another without concern for the resulting noise, the sound of which may be detected up to a number of meters distant equal to one-half the listener's Perception score (rounded up) with a successful Challenging (+/-0) Awareness Test- the Awareness Test may be further modified by the surface material, litter and other detritus, background noise, and surrounding structures/baffles (or the lack thereof). PCs may enter into an Engagement by way of making a Walk move, but the only Attack Combat Action that may be taken is the Standard Attack (considered an Attack Combat Action as part of the Walk)- a Standard Attack combined with a Walk is Challenging (+/-0), and the attacking PC's Evasions are modified by his/her Stance until the beginning of his/her following Turn (Standing: +/-0).
• Charge/Run Rate- A PC may Charge if he/she is already in the Standing, and Run if Crouching or Standing. Charging characters use their momentum and weight as advantages when entering into melee combat, though this leaves them marginally over extended, and they may stumble while moving over uneven terrain- the minimum Charge distance a PC may make is 4 meters. A PC may Charge 4-6 meters at the cost of 1 AP, 7-9 meters at the cost of 2 AP, 10-12 meters at the cost of 3 AP, and so on. Alternatively, a PC may Run up to 6 meters for each 1 AP spent . PCs that Charge/Run on Difficult Terrain (determined by the GM) must make a Challenging (+/-0) Agility Test or fall Prone- if this Test is unsuccessful, halve the calculated Charge/Run distance (rounded up) and that is as far as the PC moves before he/she falls. PCs that end their Charge movement Engaged may make a single melee attack at the end of a Charge Movement Action (either an All-Out Attack or a Standard Attack, both of which are considered Attack Combat Actions as part of the Charge)- an All-Out Attack combined with a Charge receives +30 to the Close Combat Test, bonus Damage equal to the DoS on their to-hit roll, and a Standard Attack combined with a Charge receives +20 to the Close Combat Test . Attacks made against targets that Charge/Run suffer a -20 penalty to Close and Ranged Combat Tests until the beginning of the target's following Turn . Evasions made by the attacking PC are modified by his/her Stance until the beginning of his/her following Turn (Standing: +/-0, Crouching: -10). Charging/Running is a hurried movement from one place to another, the sound of which may be detected up to a number of meters distant equal to the listener's Perception score with a successful Ordinary (+10) Awareness Test- the Awareness Test may be further modified by the surface material, background noise, and surrounding structures/baffles (or the lack thereof). PCs may Engage opponents in melee by way of making a Run move, but they must move a minimum of 6 meters, and may only take one of either the Grapple Attack or the Tackle Attack Combat Actions .
• Sprint/Flee Rate- A PC may Sprint or Flee if he/she is Standing. Sprinting/Fleeing PCs are concentrating solely on moving from one place to another with extreme haste, little regard for the noise it makes or the stability of their footing, and little deviation from the most direct route. Sprinting PCs may move up to 10 meters for each 1 AP spent . Fleeing PCs must spend all available AP, and will move no less than 10 meters for each 1 AP spent (see notation 1) . PCs that Sprint or Flee on Difficult Terrain (determined by the GM) must make a Hard (-20) Agility Test of fall Prone- if this Test is unsuccessful, halve the calculated Sprint/Flee distance (rounded up) and that is as far as the PC moves before he/she falls. Attacks made against targets that Sprint/Flee suffer a -30 penalty to Close and Ranged Combat Tests until the beginning of the target's following Turn . For clarification, Fleeing characters may not make Evasion Tests until the beginning of their next Turn . Any PC knocked Prone while in melee combat must first spend 1 AP to change his/her Stance to Standing if he/she wishes to Flee from melee, effectively reducing the Flee distance by 10 meters. Sprinting/Fleeing is a hurried movement from one place to another, the sound of which may be detected up to a number of meters distant equal to the listener's Perception score with a successful Routine (+20) Awareness Test- the Awareness Test may be further modified by the surface material, background noise, and surrounding structures/baffles (or the lack thereof). PCs that Sprint/Flee must make a Trivial (+60) Toughness Test at the end of their Sprint/Flee movement- the Difficulty of this Test increases one step for each 1 AP spent taking the Sprint/Flee Movement Action. PCs failing this Test suffer +1 Fatigue . PCs may Engage opponents in melee by way of making a Sprint move move, but they must have moved a minimum of 10 meters and may only take the Scything Attack or Tackle Attack Combat Actions . Due to their momentum , Sprinting PC Evasions are Hard (-20).

1. For clarification: PCs may choose the number of AP to spend on the Sprint Movement Action, and may choose to Sprint from 1 to 10 meters for each 1 AP spent. Fleeing PCs are exclusively attempting to put as much space between themselves and harm, thus must spend all available AP, moving no less than 10 meters for each 1 AP spent.
2. For all intents and purposes, PCs taking the Crawling/Sneaking, Idling, Walking, Charging/Running, and Sprinting/Fleeing Movement Actions are considered to be moving at the appropriate pace until the beginning of their next Turn, even if they have voluntarily stopped due to an Engagement or unconsciousness, or even if they Mount a vehicle that subsequently moves much faster.

• Tactical Advance Rate (+1 AP)- The Tactical Advance Movement Action allows a PC to optimize his/her movements to make the best use of available cover. A PC may take this Action as long as he/she does not remain Idle but is not Fleeing. When determining how far to move, a PC may spend +1 additional AP- doing so allows the PC to benefit from the Defensive Value (DV) of any Cover vacated during his/her movement, even though at the end of his/her movement he/she may be temporarily exposed .

1. An Engagement will be considered Cover, insofar as the negative modifier associated with Shooting Into Melee (-20). This means that a PC may spend +1 AP on the Tactical Advance Rate when taking the Disengage Combat Action (see below).

So, that's Movement Actions and their AP costs. Next: Combat Actions.

I am really against tying anything more to Agility.

It is an near-to-be-overpowered characteristic as is, tying it to AP will make the games focus way to much on it.

I really like the fixed AP. It also makes things easier. If you have higher Ag, you already are able to walk further and evade more likely, thats enough Ag-benefit.

Why should I anyway be able to aim more if I am faster ? Depending on the action taken, it would be better to have Agility, Perception or even Intelligence higher to do it more efficiently.

As it is therefore to tie general AP to a certain characteristic, keeping it fixed is good as is.

If you really need to have 1 AP more for certain fast characters, make it a special talent or trait.

As an alternative, it could be tied to a psy power or cybernetic (similar to Shadowrun).

"I really like the fixed AP. It also makes things easier."

This from the person who prefers more crunch and complexity?

Agility (and thus Agility Bonus) being hobbled by heavy/bulky/restrictive armour reduces the number of Actions a person can take in a Turn and balances with a PC wearing less heavy/bulky/restrictive armour (read as less protective) being able to take more Actions. A Player has to make a choice- this choice is one of preference based on the type of role he/she wants a PC to perform within an Inquisitorial Cadre. Is the PC swift and harder to hit? Or is the PC's movement and economy of Actions sacrificed for greater personal protection?

Likewise, certain Psychic Powers, Injury Effects, and other factors will reduce a PC's Agility (even temporarily), which in turn reduces the number of Actions a PC can take in his/her Turn.

To answer your question : "Why should I be able to Aim better/longer if I am faster?" If I am faster, I can move from point A to point B faster. Getting to my new position more swiftly allows me to devote more time to Aiming, whereas being clumsy, rotund, sluggish, athletically impaired, or what have you, leaves me less time to align my shot...or I could just stand still, and take more time to Aim at the expense of making it easier for my opponent to shoot me .

A Round is @5 seconds, and a Turn is (theoretically) just a fraction of that time. A PC with an Agility Bonus of 4 would have 5 AP- in that time, he/she could walk down a short hallway (1 AP to move up to 6 meters), take some insignifant leisure to Aim at an Administratum informant sitting behind his cubicle desk (+2 AP), take a single shot (+1 AP), then spend his/her last AP moving into the room and around the desk in preparation of searching the corpse and the contents of the desk drawers. I think all of that is quite reasonably performed within the fraction of time allotted a PC within a Turn that lasts a mere 5 seconds. A PC wearing heavy assault carapace might have his/her Agility capped at 35, so Agility Bonus is reduced to 3, thus reducing available AP by one, which means he/she has less time to Aim.

Simply put, Agility has previously determined how fast a PC can move. This set the precedence, and should by now be a concept that is easily and intuitively understood. How fast a PC moves thus determines the number of Actions he/she can perform within a Turn. A clumsy PC may not be able to hold a gun properly, resulting in less time to Aim. Why even consider tying AP to Intelligence or Perception? I'm an obese mess so I'm not very agile, but I've read all about karate, so that makes me really good at it? Or, I'm an obese mess so I'm not very agile, but I notice the little things all the time, and simply observing a karate master over the course of a week makes me really good at it? No, and no.

I fully intend to explore Talents/Traits that would result in bonus AP, such as Preternatural Speed. I also intend to explore the possibility of Unnatural Characteristic (Agility) resulting in bonus AP, though not on a one-for-one basis. In this way it is possible to literally make a horse much faster than a man on foot, or properly convey the swift yet fragile Eldar. Most importantly, I will be looking at the development of Characteristics, severely limiting their increase and assigning Characteristic maximums, mainly because a d% game engine fails when TNs exceed 100, and nothing should ever be automatically successful.

Tying AP to Agility is no more and no less an issue than tying success or failure at a ring toss game to Ballistic Skill. Why shouldn't a PC be allowed to used his Agility to ensure he/she is holding the ring in an optimum position before making the toss to be successful? Or Strength because because he/she has noticed a top-prize ring peg subtly marked as being rigged for automatic failure if the ring is weakly flung? Do you realize how practiced, skilled and talented a person has to be to be a successful, professionally competing archer? Would you limit his success to Ballistic Skill? Why not Agility, or Intelligence, or Perception? In the end, the rebuttal position of AP being tied to Agility being inappropriate is nothing more and nothing less than a matter of narrow perspective and a lack of willingness to play test rules proposals and House Rules.

Yeah - funny to hear this from a complex person like me, heh ?

I played a lot shadowrun, where they kind of have a very variable init-system, that indirectly

Provides more actions for faster characters - here it is more based on reaction and intuition though.

On the one hand i liked that - on the other hand, this was always something creating problems and odd situations from time to time.

And if you grant a person more AP than another - is it fair to give the additional AP all in the same moment ? Or would it be better to grant some at a later time, to give the slower characters a chance to act at all.

To put it short: I think the problems which could occur would be too immense to add it.

If more than 4 AP are granted, this should be very very strictly limited, and never be more than -6.

Everything else will turn your fight into a mess - with Eldar being the kings of the mess, as you die before you see them coming.

If more than 4 AP are granted, this should be very very strictly limited, and never be more than -6.

Everything else will turn your fight into a mess - with Eldar being the kings of the mess, as you die before you see them coming.

Isn't that the MO of Eldar? Attacking swiftly out of nowhere, seemingly everywhere at once? But one solid hit and they're revealed as the glass cannon they are.

Anyway...

By the way I've written my proposal, PCs use all of their AP in their own Turn, unless they've taken a Delay Action (not yet posted, but I have it here). Initiative works exactly as DH1e's, however, and just because a PC goes earlier in a Turn doesn't mean he's necessarily being helpful. An Inquisitorial Cadre is successful when they work in synergy- Swifty might be able to get that killing shot off right away, putting a messy end to Mister Evil, but what if Doctor Rotundslug wanted to find out the antidote to the binary poison that's coursing through his veins? Without the antidote, Rotundslug is as good as dead, and Swifty killed him.