FFG does tend to use the errata text when they reprint a card.
Theories on Rebel Counterpart to Imperial Aces ???
I can't believe I overlooked this... Where is the crew slot for a Y-wing!?!? The Y-wing has a pilot and a gunner. This would really open up the roll a Y-wing could play if a crew upgrade slot was added.
I always consider the ion turret upgrade the gunner.
Just noticed that A-wing is showing "In Development" in the FFG catalog page. It does say that this is a reprint, but I find that it doesn't have same status as other ships that are getting reprinted excluding the TIE Interceptor. There is also a banner of "updated" across the image that the other reprint ships don't have.
So I'm guessing that the Rebel Aces will be A-wings based on this info.
Sort by minatures. http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/edge_upcoming.asp
Good catch! I personally would love to see the A-wings get a bit more love. Right now they feel to expensive for what they are and not cheap enough to use as filler. The A-wing deserves better.
Not to take the wind out of anybody's sails, but the "Updated!" banner just means that the status of the item was updated, not the item itself. If it went from Out of Print to Reprint, that's Updated! If it goes from Reprint to On the Boat, it's Updated!
It says Updated when literally any aspect of the Upcoming product's listing gets changed. Don't read too much into it.
But is this just a straight reprint? I have no problems finding A-wings in my local stores.
Yes, otherwise they would announce a new product. This is likely just getting the errata set to be printed, when a new batch of A-wings and Interceptors are needed. The supply is there right now, but as with all things X-wing, it will need to be reprinted eventually.
I always considered the Turret upgrade on the Y-Wing to represent the turret and the crew to man it.
Like it's not possible for the pilot to fire it? It's kind of silly to have ignored a crew slot if it is a two-seater, but the BTL-A4 Y-wing starfighter actually is Not a two-seater, yet it does have a turret,
ArMek turreted SW-4 twin ion cannons to be exact.
Here is the reference for it: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/BTL-A4_Y-wing_starfighter
So sorry to be the one to tell you, with all the likes to your comment, but you're way off on that one.
I always considered the Turret upgrade on the Y-Wing to represent the turret and the crew to man it.
Like it's not possible for the pilot to fire it? It's kind of silly to have ignored a crew slot if it is a two-seater, but the BTL-A4 Y-wing starfighter actually is not a two-seater, yet it does have a turret, ArMek turreted SW-4 twin ion cannons to be exact. So sorry to be the one to tell you, with all the likes to your comment, but you're way off on that one.
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/BTL-A4_Y-wing_starfighter
And nobody "liked" you throwing out random information from the Wookieepedia.
Weird.
I always considered the Turret upgrade on the Y-Wing to represent the turret and the crew to man it.
Like it's not possible for the pilot to fire it? It's kind of silly to have ignored a crew slot if it is a two-seater, but the BTL-A4 Y-wing starfighter actually is not a two-seater, yet it does have a turret, ArMek turreted SW-4 twin ion cannons to be exact. So sorry to be the one to tell you, with all the likes to your comment, but you're way off on that one.
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/BTL-A4_Y-wing_starfighter
The -A4 is most often described as having the turret locked directly ahead or astern. In fact I've never seen or read a description of an -A4 firing it in any other mode. I imagine you could, but it'd be a nightmare to aim off-bearing in a dogfight.
As for the Crew slot, I don't think a stock Y-Wing needs or deserves one, it's already very customizable, and a Crew slot doesn't really fit when you compare existing Crew slots to fluff..
On every existing ship card, a single Crew slot represents the capability to have 3 personnel manning extensive consoles, as well as having berthing compartments and access to engineering spaces, not just sitting in a cramped ejection seat.
2 Crew GR-75: 6 cockpit personnel.
2 Crew YT-1300: 4 cockpit personnel, 2 turret gunners.
2 Crew Lambda: 5 cockpit personnel, 1 turret gunner.
1 Crew Firespray: 2-4 cockpit personnel, depending on configuration.
1 Crew HWK-290: 2-3 cockpit personnel.
If any new Y-wing upgrades do come out, I'd expect a "Longprobe" Title upgrade card for the recon variant, replacing the Turret icon with a Systems icon.
Edited by Joker Two
I always considered the Turret upgrade on the Y-Wing to represent the turret and the crew to man it.
Like it's not possible for the pilot to fire it? It's kind of silly to have ignored a crew slot if it is a two-seater, but the BTL-A4 Y-wing starfighter actually is Not a two-seater, yet it does have a turret,
ArMek turreted SW-4 twin ion cannons to be exact.
Here is the reference for it: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/BTL-A4_Y-wing_starfighter
So sorry to be the one to tell you, with all the likes to your comment, but you're way off on that one.
And nobody "liked" you throwing out random information from the Wookieepedia.
Weird.
Some people just can't handle the truth, even when evidence is presented to them.
What the hell do you talking about random anyway, it was exactly on topic,
a link to the very ship that was being discussed. Why don't you go randomly
paint something or randomly destroy some minis for your rubble pieces,
and leave the facts to those who know where to find them.
Edited by gabe69velasquez
Like it's not possible for the pilot to fire it? It's kind of silly to have ignored a crew slot if it is a two-seater, but the BTL-A4 Y-wing starfighter actually is Not a two-seater, yet it does have a turret,
ArMek turreted SW-4 twin ion cannons to be exact.
Here is the reference for it: http://starwars.wiki...ing_starfighter
So sorry to be the one to tell you, with all the likes to your comment, but you're way off on that one.
The -A4 is most often described as having the turret locked directly ahead or astern. In fact I've never seen or read a description of an -A4 firing it in any other mode. I imagine you could, but it'd be a nightmare to aim off-bearing in a dogfight.
• That's what target locking is for isn't it.
As for the Crew slot, I don't think a stock Y-Wing needs or deserves one, it's already very customizable, and a Crew slot doesn't really fit when you compare existing Crew slots to fluff..
• Not talking about the stock Y-wing, if it has a crew upgrade then it's no longer the BTL-A4 Y-wing, it then becomes another starfighter, "The BTL-S3B Y-wing starfighter was a variant of the S3 Y-wing, with twin blasters." and having found that, I'd say FFG made a mistake, every time you add a turret it's a different variant, and there are several variants. Otherwise we are talking about a starfighter with an empty seat when it doesn't have a turret upgrade, which is silly.
I know plenty of people who like using Gunner or Recon Specialist, they are not all fluff, I would take either of those.
On every existing ship card, a single Crew slot represents the capability to have 3 personnel manning extensive consoles, as well as having berthing compartments and access to engineering spaces, not just sitting in a cramped ejection seat.
2 Crew GR-75: 6 cockpit personnel.
2 Crew YT-1300: 4 cockpit personnel, 2 turret gunners.
2 Crew Lambda: 5 cockpit personnel, 1 turret gunner.
1 Crew Firespray: 2-4 cockpit personnel, depending on configuration.
1 Crew HWK-290: 2-3 cockpit personnel.
•That's a very interesting deduction, but unless you are on the design team, that could be coincidence.
If any new Y-wing upgrades do come out, I'd expect a "Longprobe" Title upgrade card for the recon variant, replacing the Turret icon with a Systems icon.
• I can't disagree with you on having other variants, System icon being a good one, a lot of people would go bananas for a Y-wing with advanced sensors (the color pun was unintentional). Even a Longprobe title card like the interceptors Royal Guard would go a long way, as it would make sense, perhaps instead of two modifications, one system slot and one cannon slot for the fixed mount.
• How many crew slots would you put on the BTL-S3 Courier variant?
• I also think the Y-wing variants could be a gate into prequel ships, as the Y-wing design changes go as far back as the clone wars.
I always considered the Turret upgrade on the Y-Wing to represent the turret and the crew to man it.
Like it's not possible for the pilot to fire it? It's kind of silly to have ignored a crew slot if it is a two-seater, but the BTL-A4 Y-wing starfighter actually is not a two-seater, yet it does have a turret, ArMek turreted SW-4 twin ion cannons to be exact. So sorry to be the one to tell you, with all the likes to your comment, but you're way off on that one.
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/BTL-A4_Y-wing_starfighter
And nobody "liked" you throwing out random information from the Wookieepedia.
Weird.
he was also wrong.. to boot. the BTL-A4 had a turret, but because it did not have a gunner it was fixed position (normally in the forward arc). IE wasn't 360.
I always considered the Turret upgrade on the Y-Wing to represent the turret and the crew to man it.
Like it's not possible for the pilot to fire it? It's kind of silly to have ignored a crew slot if it is a two-seater, but the BTL-A4 Y-wing starfighter actually is Not a two-seater, yet it does have a turret,
ArMek turreted SW-4 twin ion cannons to be exact.
Here is the reference for it: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/BTL-A4_Y-wing_starfighter
So sorry to be the one to tell you, with all the likes to your comment, but you're way off on that one.
Dude... Did you even read the link you posted?
This is literally the second sentence if the Characteristics: "The 16-meter-long attack starfighter had an ArMek SW-4 ion cannon turret which was preset to one of four arcs[4] and was typically locked forward..."
So sorry to be the one to tell you, but I find it kind of silly to have ignored your own reference.
Of course it's possible for the pilot to fire the weapon, but how accurate would it be, shooting at someone behind you and to the side while both the firing platform and the target are moving, often in different directions WHILE trying to pilot the ship in combat?
I always considered the Turret upgrade on the Y-Wing to represent the turret and the crew to man it.
Like it's not possible for the pilot to fire it? It's kind of silly to have ignored a crew slot if it is a two-seater, but the BTL-A4 Y-wing starfighter actually is Not a two-seater, yet it does have a turret,
ArMek turreted SW-4 twin ion cannons to be exact.
Here is the reference for it: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/BTL-A4_Y-wing_starfighter
So sorry to be the one to tell you, with all the likes to your comment, but you're way off on that one.
And nobody "liked" you throwing out random information from the Wookieepedia.
Weird.
Some people just can't handle the truth, even when evidence is presented to them.
What the hell do you talking about random anyway, it was exactly on topic,
a link to the very ship that was being discussed. Why don't you go randomly
paint something or randomly destroy some minis for your rubble pieces,
and leave the facts to those who know where to find them.
And still nobody has liked your comments. Strange. 
You really want a pat on the back for knowing where the Wookieepedia is? Way to be, guy. What would we do without you? 
And not for nothing, but there's not actually anything which specifically states that the Y-Wings in the game ARE arbitrarily the A4s. The only evidence is the flavor text on the Gold Squadron card, which doesn't so much mean "these Y-Wings are all A4s" as "we need random factoids to take up space on these cards."
Gray Squadron says nothing about the specific model number, and all Gold says is that the A4 was the main fighter used by the Rebellion until the X-Wing came along. That is entirely true and yet in no way means that the Y-Wings in the game are by definition all A4s.
But, you know, I guess some people just can't handle it even when faced with the truth... 
Don't think so, but thanks for playing.
Don't think so, but thanks for playing.
I actually agree, I doubt we will see a Rebel Aces pack until after Wave 4. This pack gives 4 new X-Wing pilots, and new Astromech upgrades, so it is fairly good equivalent.
I think we will see a Rebel Pack, when we seen a Imperial transport equivalent.
I think since they are reprinting (Updating?) the X and Y Wings, I would not be surprised to see an expansion with one of each beautiful ship, or they will be done as two ship sets just like the new TIe Ex. I know a lot of people want to see the Y-Wing improved upon in terms of the film-to-game transition, and FFG will probably fix that...
This makes a lot of sense to me, especially considering the lmited number of y-wing pilot options. I sometimes wonder if they would come out with a stripped down y-wing with no secondary weapons, but with a co-pilot.
I would be shocked if we didn't see something eventually - big Imp ships and Rebel Aces both - but I think if they do it they'll do them up proper.
I always considered the Turret upgrade on the Y-Wing to represent the turret and the crew to man it.
Like it's not possible for the pilot to fire it? It's kind of silly to have ignored a crew slot if it is a two-seater, but the BTL-A4 Y-wing starfighter actually is Not a two-seater, yet it does have a turret,
ArMek turreted SW-4 twin ion cannons to be exact.
Here is the reference for it: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/BTL-A4_Y-wing_starfighter
So sorry to be the one to tell you, with all the likes to your comment, but you're way off on that one.
And nobody "liked" you throwing out random information from the Wookieepedia.
Weird.
Some people just can't handle the truth, even when evidence is presented to them.
What the hell do you talking about random anyway, it was exactly on topic,
a link to the very ship that was being discussed. Why don't you go randomly
paint something or randomly destroy some minis for your rubble pieces,
and leave the facts to those who know where to find them.
I will even do you one better, since you're such a swell chap... 
You think that one line of flavor text on one generic pilot card means that all Y-Wings in the game must be the A4 variants? I say it proves exactly the opposite. 
Let's examine the flavor text for a moment:
"The versatile and reliable BTL-A4 Y-wing was their Rebellion's primary starfighter until the arrival of the T-65 X-wing."
There are X-Wings in the game, no? That would imply that by the nebulous timeframe of the game (more on that in a moment), the X-Wings have supplanted the A4 Y-Wings as their go-to starfighter. That would further imply that they no longer have much (any) need for the A4 version, which you could further argue means that more than likely, any Y-Wings still being used by the Rebellion at this point are probably something OTHER than the A4, since the A4's duties are now handled by the X-Wings.
But let's get back to the chronology here for a second. When precisely is the game set? There are ships in the game that either didn't exist or, at best, weren't seeing widespread use by the Battle of Yavin. There were some A-Wing precursors running around, according to one of the games, I believe, but I have trouble believing they wouldn't have brought along some B-Wings to make the first Death Star run, if they'd had some handy.
Now we know the game can't be set after Yavin, because half the pilots in the game died there. Garven? Dead. Dutch? Dead. Biggs? Dead. Porkins? Not even OUT yet, but dead. Yep, got to be pre-Yavin.
But wait - Tycho didn't leave the academy and join the Rebellion until after Alderaan was blown up, days (at most) before the Death Star got taken out. So how is he an ace Rebel pilot flying around in a (not yet mass-produced) A-Wing at this same time? That's kind of weird, isn't it? The timeline for this game doesn't add up at all. This makes no sense!
Oh, what's that, you say? It's only an abstracted tabletop miniatures combat game, and the pilots and card text and everything are just in there to add a bit of flavor, and I probably shouldn't overthink things like "when is this game set exactly?" or "how are all of these ships and pilots existing together at the same time?" or "which model of Y-Wing IS that, specifically".....?
Yeah, you're probably right. It IS just a game, and it IS highly abstracted, and if you start pulling at little threads like that the whole thing sort of falls apart.
Probably best not to overthink it then, eh? 
Even if the Y-Wings are the A4 version, as was pointed out before. The Ion Cannon on that is not a true turret, because it can't fire 360 degs, it can only fire in 1 of 4 different directions.
I always considered the Turret upgrade on the Y-Wing to represent the turret and the crew to man it.
Like it's not possible for the pilot to fire it? It's kind of silly to have ignored a crew slot if it is a two-seater, but the BTL-A4 Y-wing starfighter actually is Not a two-seater, yet it does have a turret,
ArMek turreted SW-4 twin ion cannons to be exact.
Here is the reference for it: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/BTL-A4_Y-wing_starfighter
So sorry to be the one to tell you, with all the likes to your comment, but you're way off on that one.
And nobody "liked" you throwing out random information from the Wookieepedia.
Weird.
Some people just can't handle the truth, even when evidence is presented to them.
What the hell do you talking about random anyway, it was exactly on topic,
a link to the very ship that was being discussed. Why don't you go randomly
paint something or randomly destroy some minis for your rubble pieces,
and leave the facts to those who know where to find them.
I will even do you one better, since you're such a swell chap...
You think that one line of flavor text on one generic pilot card means that all Y-Wings in the game must be the A4 variants? I say it proves exactly the opposite.
Let's examine the flavor text for a moment:
"The versatile and reliable BTL-A4 Y-wing was their Rebellion's primary starfighter until the arrival of the T-65 X-wing."
There are X-Wings in the game, no? That would imply that by the nebulous timeframe of the game (more on that in a moment), the X-Wings have supplanted the A4 Y-Wings as their go-to starfighter. That would further imply that they no longer have much (any) need for the A4 version, which you could further argue means that more than likely, any Y-Wings still being used by the Rebellion at this point are probably something OTHER than the A4, since the A4's duties are now handled by the X-Wings.
But let's get back to the chronology here for a second. When precisely is the game set? There are ships in the game that either didn't exist or, at best, weren't seeing widespread use by the Battle of Yavin. There were some A-Wing precursors running around, according to one of the games, I believe, but I have trouble believing they wouldn't have brought along some B-Wings to make the first Death Star run, if they'd had some handy.
Now we know the game can't be set after Yavin, because half the pilots in the game died there. Garven? Dead. Dutch? Dead. Biggs? Dead. Porkins? Not even OUT yet, but dead. Yep, got to be pre-Yavin.
But wait - Tycho didn't leave the academy and join the Rebellion until after Alderaan was blown up, days (at most) before the Death Star got taken out. So how is he an ace Rebel pilot flying around in a (not yet mass-produced) A-Wing at this same time? That's kind of weird, isn't it? The timeline for this game doesn't add up at all. This makes no sense!
Oh, what's that, you say? It's only an abstracted tabletop miniatures combat game, and the pilots and card text and everything are just in there to add a bit of flavor, and I probably shouldn't overthink things like "when is this game set exactly?" or "how are all of these ships and pilots existing together at the same time?" or "which model of Y-Wing IS that, specifically".....?
Yeah, you're probably right. It IS just a game, and it IS highly abstracted, and if you start pulling at little threads like that the whole thing sort of falls apart.
Probably best not to overthink it then, eh?
I read this after I just woke up, very very groggy, and it read like complete gibberish.
I think that perception is probably accurate so, I'll leave like that.
I don't think that the reason why there is not a crew member has anything to do with the version of the Y-wing or time-frame when all this is supposed to take place. There are no crew slots on any wave 1 ships, that didn't come around until wave 2. However, when and if the do a Y-wing aces the can correct/amend this by giving us a named ship card that give the Y-wing a crew slot. It's not always about the Star Wars universe, sometimes it's about game mechanics (at the time).
I think a Rogue Box would be neat. Heck, why not a Wraith Squadron box? There's some ideas out there that will work.
Lt. Kettch should be the first PS10 pilot
I always considered the Turret upgrade on the Y-Wing to represent the turret and the crew to man it.
Like it's not possible for the pilot to fire it? It's kind of silly to have ignored a crew slot if it is a two-seater, but the BTL-A4 Y-wing starfighter actually is Not a two-seater, yet it does have a turret,
ArMek turreted SW-4 twin ion cannons to be exact.
Here is the reference for it: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/BTL-A4_Y-wing_starfighter
So sorry to be the one to tell you, with all the likes to your comment, but you're way off on that one.
And nobody "liked" you throwing out random information from the Wookieepedia.
Weird.
Some people just can't handle the truth, even when evidence is presented to them.
What the hell do you talking about random anyway, it was exactly on topic,
a link to the very ship that was being discussed. Why don't you go randomly
paint something or randomly destroy some minis for your rubble pieces,
and leave the facts to those who know where to find them.
I will even do you one better, since you're such a swell chap...
You think that one line of flavor text on one generic pilot card means that all Y-Wings in the game must be the A4 variants? I say it proves exactly the opposite.
Let's examine the flavor text for a moment:
"The versatile and reliable BTL-A4 Y-wing was their Rebellion's primary starfighter until the arrival of the T-65 X-wing."
There are X-Wings in the game, no? That would imply that by the nebulous timeframe of the game (more on that in a moment), the X-Wings have supplanted the A4 Y-Wings as their go-to starfighter. That would further imply that they no longer have much (any) need for the A4 version, which you could further argue means that more than likely, any Y-Wings still being used by the Rebellion at this point are probably something OTHER than the A4, since the A4's duties are now handled by the X-Wings.
But let's get back to the chronology here for a second. When precisely is the game set? There are ships in the game that either didn't exist or, at best, weren't seeing widespread use by the Battle of Yavin. There were some A-Wing precursors running around, according to one of the games, I believe, but I have trouble believing they wouldn't have brought along some B-Wings to make the first Death Star run, if they'd had some handy.
Now we know the game can't be set after Yavin, because half the pilots in the game died there. Garven? Dead. Dutch? Dead. Biggs? Dead. Porkins? Not even OUT yet, but dead. Yep, got to be pre-Yavin.
But wait - Tycho didn't leave the academy and join the Rebellion until after Alderaan was blown up, days (at most) before the Death Star got taken out. So how is he an ace Rebel pilot flying around in a (not yet mass-produced) A-Wing at this same time? That's kind of weird, isn't it? The timeline for this game doesn't add up at all. This makes no sense!
Oh, what's that, you say? It's only an abstracted tabletop miniatures combat game, and the pilots and card text and everything are just in there to add a bit of flavor, and I probably shouldn't overthink things like "when is this game set exactly?" or "how are all of these ships and pilots existing together at the same time?" or "which model of Y-Wing IS that, specifically".....?
Yeah, you're probably right. It IS just a game, and it IS highly abstracted, and if you start pulling at little threads like that the whole thing sort of falls apart.
Probably best not to overthink it then, eh?
I read this after I just woke up, very very groggy, and it read like complete gibberish.
I think that perception is probably accurate so, I'll leave like that.
That would probably be wise, yeah.
I just spend an inordinate amount of time looking at this stuff (and some players in my EotE game have been in four of those five ships recently). But the ratio is surprisingly consistent!
I understand where you're coming from about the different variants, Gabe69. As you pointed out, the different upgrades available more closely represent different configurations than the standard. I think this is intentional; with a stock ship, it's upgrade slots, and the upgrade cards available probably meant to represent both the canon standard and its most common/similar variants (including ships from other eras). For example:
- BTL-A4: no Turret Upgrade Card.
- BTL-S3: Ion Cannot Turret Upgrade Card.
- BTL-S3B: Blaster Turret Upgrade Card.
Similarly the X-Wing:
- T-65: Proton Torpedoes.
- T-65AC4: Advanced Proton Torpedoes and Engine Upgrade.
- XJ-series: Advanced Proton Torpedoes and Shield Upgrade.
- StealthX: Advanced Proton Torpedoes and Stealth Device.
And yeah, I'd love to see prequel ships like a BTL-B, or specialist designs! I'm half-tempted to chop-shop a Theta-class shuttle (Palpatine's ship in Episode III) and find some V-Wing toys to proxy Captain Kagi and TIE Fighters with Shield Upgrades.
...
My personal preference would be the two possible two-seater variants: The BTL-S3 Y-wing starfighter & the B-wing/E starfighter. FFG made the mistake of not distinguishing between co-pilot crew and gunner crew, so it may be tricky, but they can always put restriction text on the pilot cards or "New Rules" inserts that says the crew for the two-seaters have to have something to do with attacking. Or not, it would be great to see an Admiral Akbar crew or pilot, and his two-seater B-wing/E2 was more of a shuttle. Chewbacca would effectively be cheaper than both shield upgrade and/or hull upgrade.
...
VINDICATED.
ha ha, nobody liked my B-wing/E idea at the time,
but I guess now I'll be on the look out for people saying
they were in the same camp all along.
http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/edge_news.asp?eidn=4705
Looking forward to using Jan Ors & Kyle Katarn crew on my new B-wing/E.
ha, ha, ha