Theories on Rebel Counterpart to Imperial Aces ???

By GFulls, in X-Wing

I would love seeing some improvements on the Y-Wing. It's one of my favorite ships even with all of its shortcomings. EPS and crew member upgrade are musts. Would also be nice to see it able to carry bombs. (Even though I rarely have success with those). But I would be happy with the A-Wing getting a boost. It's my least played ship.

I'd really like to see the concentrate on one ship type at a time. I have high hopes that they can bolster the Y-Wing ant Tie Advanced with some upgrades an additional pilots to make them a little more popular to use in the game. Plus, I like the idea of a couple of different repaints for each ship type.

I think my ideal set would be 2 X-wings, one painted green, one painted grey to cover Rogue and Wraith Squadron,

Rogues - Corran Horn, Gavin Darklighter, including Gate and Whistler R2 units.

Wraiths - Garik 'Face' Loran, Voort 'Piggy' SaBinring, perhaps a Wraith Squadron title card that adds a sensor option, also Kettch

1x X-Wing model with green paint job.

1x Y-Wing model with red or green paint job.

1-2x Y-Wing pilots with elite pilot slot.

1-3x X-Wing pilots from the books/movies. Namely Porkins.

Fill in the rest with afew nameless dudes named after the proper squads for the paint jobs.

Y-Wing title to add a crew slot to the ship.

Elite Pilot card that lets the ship/pilot use the Swerve action or something similar.

New astromec that does SOMETHING.

Filler for rest of slots, likely useful reprints.

Call it something fancy like "Deathstar Assault" or something equally witty which I'm sure they have a marketing team to come up with.

Assuming there is going to be a counterpart, Rogue Squadron sounds like a likely set, even if we already are slated to get an X-Wing reprint.

However, I'm really rooting for the green A-Wing + Y-Wing variant set. It would kill two birds with one stone for me: getting a green A-Wing without having to deal with painting, and getting a Y-Wing for my brother.

Just noticed that A-wing is showing "In Development" in the FFG catalog page. It does say that this is a reprint, but I find that it doesn't have same status as other ships that are getting reprinted excluding the TIE Interceptor. There is also a banner of "updated" across the image that the other reprint ships don't have.

So I'm guessing that the Rebel Aces will be A-wings based on this info.

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The others used to say updated.

Speculation is fun, even if a futile exercise. I have to assume the epic scale expansions aren't the counterpart. Beyond that, I'm not sure it's safe to assume anything.

1. Neither of the last two announcements were predictable or even on my radar.

2. The epic ships were received controversially, but I don't see any major rejection of the Imperial Aces packs, but we also don't really have the 'Rogue's Gallery' of well-known pilots on that side of the war as we do the other.

3. We've been demanding a Rogue Squadron pack of some kind since day one.

4. Imperial Aces is most clearly providing us with variant paint schemes.

So, with these few 'facts' I have to say if there will be a counterpart to 'Aces', that it will be Rogue Squadron. How many ships will be included? Which Pilots? Well, if using old models and rebranding them is one of the major goals, then I have to conclude that Corran Horn is most certainly one of them. I think there's a growing consensus on this. As for the second ship, I can't determine, but I'd say it will also be an X-Wing. I just don't think we should rule out the possibility of a third ship, slim, but still possible. We mostly assumed Wave 3 would follow the balance of 1 large and 1 small ship for both sides, and the HWK was both a surprise in choice of model as well as base size. I don't think we'll be surprised with a new model, I won't rule it out, and there is no guarantee that Aces is a paradigm.

These particular expansions seem oriented towards filling out certain aspects, and there is no more clear choice to fill out than Rogue Squadron, which means X-Wings.

I know this discussion fizzled a while ago, and I missed my chance, but I'd still like to add my to cents, as someone like myself might discover it and see another opinion. I think first of all a fourth X-wing is unlikely if not just plain silly. Core set had some pilots, the expansion had some pilots, and now there will be some with the GR-75, so all wishful thinking aside, it seems like bad marketing to do a fourth and I seriously doubt they will do it any time soon. Eventually, maybe Renegade Flight & Rogue Flight, but four in a row is pushing it.

My personal preference would be the two possible two-seater variants: The BTL-S3 Y-wing starfighter & the B-wing/E starfighter. FFG made the mistake of not distinguishing between co-pilot crew and gunner crew, so it may be tricky, but they can always put restriction text on the pilot cards or "New Rules" inserts that says the crew for the two-seaters have to have something to do with attacking. Or not, it would be great to see an Admiral Akbar crew or pilot, and his two-seater B-wing/E2 was more of a shuttle. Chewbacca would effectively be cheaper than both shield upgrade and/or hull upgrade.

I don't mean any offense to anyone who has read all of the comics and the novels, loves everything EU, and has to have Rouge Squadron right now, but I don't see it as smart marketing step to go for X-wings a fourth time right now, and even though we see it as a game, a company will see it first in terms of and ask where is the profitability. So that's my reasoning on why it won't be more X-wings.

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Also modifications for the Y-Wing, to add a crew member position, and some new Y-Wing Pilots

I can't believe I overlooked this... Where is the crew slot for a Y-wing!?!? The Y-wing has a pilot and a gunner. This would really open up the roll a Y-wing could play if a crew upgrade slot was added.

I know this discussion fizzled a while ago, and I missed my chance, but I'd still like to add my to cents, as someone like myself might discover it and see another opinion. I think first of all a fourth X-wing is unlikely if not just plain silly. Core set had some pilots, the expansion had some pilots, and now there will be some with the GR-75, so all wishful thinking aside, it seems like bad marketing to do a fourth and I seriously doubt they will do it any time soon. Eventually, maybe Renegade Flight & Rogue Flight, but four in a row is pushing it.

My personal preference would be the two possible two-seater variants: The BTL-S3 Y-wing starfighter & the B-wing/E starfighter. FFG made the mistake of not distinguishing between co-pilot crew and gunner crew, so it may be tricky, but they can always put restriction text on the pilot cards or "New Rules" inserts that says the crew for the two-seaters have to have something to do with attacking. Or not, it would be great to see an Admiral Akbar crew or pilot, and his two-seater B-wing/E2 was more of a shuttle. Chewbacca would effectively be cheaper than both shield upgrade and/or hull upgrade.

I don't mean any offense to anyone who has read all of the comics and the novels, loves everything EU, and has to have Rouge Squadron right now, but I don't see it as smart marketing step to go for X-wings a fourth time right now, and even though we see it as a game, a company will see it first in terms of and ask where is the profitability. So that's my reasoning on why it won't be more X-wings.

We're on the same page, I've been saying that for months. Although I doubt they will do the b-wing since it just came out. I think the Y-wing needs it the most, but it could also be A-wing aces next. Both have deficiencies and need more depth of pilots.

I always considered the Turret upgrade on the Y-Wing to represent the turret and the crew to man it.

Just noticed that A-wing is showing "In Development" in the FFG catalog page. It does say that this is a reprint, but I find that it doesn't have same status as other ships that are getting reprinted excluding the TIE Interceptor. There is also a banner of "updated" across the image that the other reprint ships don't have.

So I'm guessing that the Rebel Aces will be A-wings based on this info.

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Good catch! I personally would love to see the A-wings get a bit more love. Right now they feel to expensive for what they are and not cheap enough to use as filler. The A-wing deserves better.

If i were a FFG rep tasked with browsing the forums and gauging interest i would be more inclined to assume people wanted A-wings/Y-wings than a rogue squadron pack

not that rogue squadron doesn't get mentioned but it really doesn't seem to get brought up that much

Well there are already 6 x-wing pilots and there are about to be 4 more when the Rebel Transport comes out. Which by the way I think will be the equivalent of Imperial Aces (the alt x-wing only) for the rebels. So that would be 10 different pilots for x-wings and any other rebel ship only will have 4 options. I wouldn't be surprised to see a Rouge squadron upgrade card/named ship card that comes with the Transport. It may not be 2 x-wings but it will be new pilots and upgrades.

I get where you guys are coming from, conceptually, but I don't think most people would sweat it. It's weird for R2-D2 to be on anyone else's ship, but eh, he's a game piece and is useful for a number of pilots. It's weird the Green Squadron A-Wings are red. I'm sure if we get Corran we'll get Whistler, and undoubtedly his ability will be useful for (and used with) pilots other than just Horn. I'm sure some people will just like the red interceptors and use them with guys like Fel and whoever, even if it doesn't make a lot of sense lore-wise.

I'm not saying I think they WILL do a CorSec paint job on it, necessarily, but I think if they do and you refuse to use it with anyone but Corran, that's purely your own hang-up. :D

Green squadron is painted red because they could not use green in filming.

No, you're thinking blue. Green was still perfectly acceptable. There were plenty of green panels on the Red 3 miniatures. They didn't paint the A-wings green likely for aesthetic reasons and to make them fit in more with the Rebels.

No, you're thinking blue. Green was still perfectly acceptable. There were plenty of green panels on the Red 3 miniatures. They didn't paint the A-wings green likely for aesthetic reasons and to make them fit in more with the Rebels.

RotJ used green screens for the space battles.

Did they? I don't recall seeing any behind the scenes pictures showing green screens.

Just noticed that A-wing is showing "In Development" in the FFG catalog page. It does say that this is a reprint, but I find that it doesn't have same status as other ships that are getting reprinted excluding the TIE Interceptor. There is also a banner of "updated" across the image that the other reprint ships don't have.

So I'm guessing that the Rebel Aces will be A-wings based on this info.

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Good catch! I personally would love to see the A-wings get a bit more love. Right now they feel to expensive for what they are and not cheap enough to use as filler. The A-wing deserves better.

Not to take the wind out of anybody's sails, but the "Updated!" banner just means that the status of the item was updated, not the item itself. If it went from Out of Print to Reprint, that's Updated! If it goes from Reprint to On the Boat, it's Updated!

It says Updated when literally any aspect of the Upcoming product's listing gets changed. Don't read too much into it.

Don't read too much into it.

The idea that they'd make any changes to the A-Wing expansion pack, short of errata for the cards (which there isn't any) is pretty far fetched. The outrage would be pretty huge if they changed the point cost on A-Wings and released it as an update to the existing expansion pack. I know I'd be less then pleased if they expected me to buy 4 more A-Wings just so I had the updated cards.

Don't read too much into it.

The idea that they'd make any changes to the A-Wing expansion pack, short of errata for the cards (which there isn't any) is pretty far fetched. The outrage would be pretty huge if they changed the point cost on A-Wings and released it as an update to the existing expansion pack. I know I'd be less then pleased if they expected me to buy 4 more A-Wings just so I had the updated cards.

Agreed. I think it makes sense for them to errata cards as they move forward (for straight up, true errata). I don't know if they're doing that, but it makes sense, But yeah I think any and all changes they made to a ship would have to come in something like the Imp Aces pack, or like the new X-Wing stuff in the Rebel Transport. Not just "surprise! All the cards are different - buy more, plz!"

FWIW...

There are a total of 5 cards that have Errata.

Expert Handling, Daredevil, Gunner, Luke (crew) and the Boost action reference card. Not sure if any of the reprints have those cards updated or not.

I'm honestly not sure, either. I don't think my A-Wing reprint corrected Daredevil, but if they're now doing a THIRD printing or whatever, I have no idea if they plan to (ever) start slipping in corrections.

Expert handling has been errated. I found this out when I got my second TIE/x1. I'm unsure about the others, but it would be a safe assumption to say that they are.

FWIW...There are a total of 5 cards that have Errata.Expert Handling, Daredevil, Gunner, Luke (crew) and the Boost action reference card. Not sure if any of the reprints have those cards updated or not.

My Expert Handling cards have the correct text. However, the rest of my cards do not.