So far I am liking the new rules, having ran my first session last night.

My big concern at the moment is the compatability with the other core products. Fantasy Flight have stated that they will not be moving to a 2nd edition for the other games, so will a conversion doc be produced to allow crossover for each game?

So far I am liking the new rules, having ran my first session last night.

My big concern at the moment is the compatability with the other core products. Fantasy Flight have stated that they will not be moving to a 2nd edition for the other games, so will a conversion doc be produced to allow crossover for each game?

Definitely a concern. I know that I will be willing to put in some conversion work, but it will mainly be in the form of replicating creatures and weapons present in those games but not in DH2. I expect other people will do better jobs of actual conversion rules.

However, despite what FFG have said, I find it hard to believe that they wont ultimately do 2nd editions of these rules. I just don't see why they wouldn't, unless these lines have sold badly (which isn't the impression I received).

I mean certainly DH is in more need of revision than the others which got better with each game. But I'm still finding it hard to believe there wont be new versions.

No company could sit on the 40k IP and not spit out content for it. There will be a couple of years of DH2 content but when that starts running dry they'll have to move onto something else.

What I would not count on is any kind of reverse compatibility to the old games. They've already completely revamped the rules for WHFRP and now they're making it hard to use DH1 content in the DH2 rules (which I, for the record, don't really care about) and that trend will only continue as new RPG mechanics are created.

Definitely a concern. I know that I will be willing to put in some conversion work, but it will mainly be in the form of replicating creatures and weapons present in those games but not in DH2. I expect other people will do better jobs of actual conversion rules.

However, despite what FFG have said, I find it hard to believe that they wont ultimately do 2nd editions of these rules. I just don't see why they wouldn't, unless these lines have sold badly (which isn't the impression I received).

I mean certainly DH is in more need of revision than the others which got better with each game. But I'm still finding it hard to believe there wont be new versions.

Agreed.

I too will likely convert various npc archetypes and have done so on the fly already for my current campaign. I would not mind a set of conversion rules and would love official update files but suspect that the former will be homebrew and the latter non-existent.

I think it is likely that if this proves to be well received there will eventually be 2nd Ed. books for the other systems, even if they are not making concrete plans for them at the moment.

My big concern at the moment is the compatability with the other core products. Fantasy Flight have stated that they will not be moving to a 2nd edition for the other games, so will a conversion doc be produced to allow crossover for each game?

Uh-huh, about that... it's a temporary arrangement at best. I'll be very, very surprised if the next game doesn't make the jump to 2e within two years from now. New beta next year is even more likely.

Well, Dark Heresy's last supplement was Lathe Worlds, and that released on the 8th of August last year. 24th of July was when this beta began, so there was basically a year between Dark Heresy dying out, and being brought back.

All the other systems still have new books inbound, don't they?

Well, Dark Heresy's last supplement was Lathe Worlds, and that released on the 8th of August last year. 24th of July was when this beta began, so there was basically a year between Dark Heresy dying out, and being brought back.

All the other systems still have new books inbound, don't they?

It would appear they do, so maybe a link between is on the cards, I certainly hope so

I doubt it. What I see happening is the lines drawing to their natural close (Deathwatch and Rogue Trader are close to it, the other systems still have a fair bit of life in them). Then, after a year or so of the line being dead in the water, it comes back in 2e form.

I doubt it. What I see happening is the lines drawing to their natural close (Deathwatch and Rogue Trader are close to it, the other systems still have a fair bit of life in them). Then, after a year or so of the line being dead in the water, it comes back in 2e form.

This. FFG will not admit openly that all old lines are to be closed and rebooted with 2e mechanics, as that would hamper the sales of whatever supplements they still have in plans. But their fate is pretty much sealed, as there's no benefit to supporting two competing products under the same brand.

Well, Dark Heresy's last supplement was Lathe Worlds, and that released on the 8th of August last year. 24th of July was when this beta began, so there was basically a year between Dark Heresy dying out, and being brought back.

All the other systems still have new books inbound, don't they?

I doubt it. What I see happening is the lines drawing to their natural close (Deathwatch and Rogue Trader are close to it, the other systems still have a fair bit of life in them). Then, after a year or so of the line being dead in the water, it comes back in 2e form.

This. FFG will not admit openly that all old lines are to be closed and rebooted with 2e mechanics, as that would hamper the sales of whatever supplements they still have in plans. But their fate is pretty much sealed, as there's no benefit to supporting two competing products under the same brand.

Well, I for one will not buy any further 1st edition products of any of the systems. I quite like 2nd Ed and think that it is a positive move. So if FF have any further 1st Ed products on the line they have product just shot themselves in the foot

On the other hand, I'm not planning to buy any 2e content, ever, but will gladly buy some more 1e books. Even with full knowledge that whatever comes out for 1e now is already obsolete by design.

Well, I for one will not buy any further 1st edition products of any of the systems. I quite like 2nd Ed and think that it is a positive move. So if FF have any further 1st Ed products on the line they have product just shot themselves in the foot

On the other hand, I'm not planning to buy any 2e content, ever, but will gladly buy some more 1e books. Even with full knowledge that whatever comes out for 1e now is already obsolete by design.

couldn't have said it better myself Morangias,

and thats not even because I have a particular personal dislike for what FFG have done with DH2, Its simply a fact that I've got DH1 compatable material in droves (every DH and RT suppliament and most of the OW, BC, and DW stuff as well) and a group of players that really don't like the changes to second ed - I can't even get a second play test going to try the changes that have been brought in as all I hear is "DH1 works and we know it, why change"

Ah well I'll still pick up the last few DH1 compatable bits before the breed dies out.

Surak

I'll be happy enough to pick up any adventures or fluff books. Swapping a few stats or weapons over I can do in my sleep. I'll not buy any purely rules focused supplements but then they're probably about done for Rogue Trader and Deathwatch now and I don't have the other two.

Well, I for one will not buy any further 1st edition products of any of the systems. I quite like 2nd Ed and think that it is a positive move. So if FF have any further 1st Ed products on the line they have product just shot themselves in the foot

On the other hand, I'm not planning to buy any 2e content, ever, but will gladly buy some more 1e books. Even with full knowledge that whatever comes out for 1e now is already obsolete by design.

couldn't have said it better myself Morangias,

and thats not even because I have a particular personal dislike for what FFG have done with DH2, Its simply a fact that I've got DH1 compatable material in droves (every DH and RT suppliament and most of the OW, BC, and DW stuff as well) and a group of players that really don't like the changes to second ed - I can't even get a second play test going to try the changes that have been brought in as all I hear is "DH1 works and we know it, why change"

Ah well I'll still pick up the last few DH1 compatable bits before the breed dies out.

Surak

The way I see it, what's already been published for all 1e lines is enough stuff to last me a lifetime of gaming. Throughout the years, I haven't even used up all the story hooks from Disciples of the Dark Gods

Dark Heresy 1ed was not designed or developed by FFG, Black Industries, a Black Library offshoot, did. FFG just bought it.

So a case could be made that all 40k FFG RPGs have been made to be backwards compatable with DH1ed. Each game being a revised edition of BI's rule set. Not a strong a case mind, but it could still be made.

So DH2ed is actually DH FFG edition.

Um...may have missed the point, but I have done all this typing now.

Two Thrones in a fountain;

Given FFG's latest announcement, this may end up being a moot point. If DH2.0 is made compatible with BC/OW, then it stands to reason than all of the DH1.0/RT/DW material will work with it after a little conversion.

That means The Lathe Worlds will still work with the new DH, and that's great.

BYE