Would the Navigator be able to modify the 1 forward white maneuver assigned by the ion tokens? It is technically the same bearing so there wouldn't be any reason why card text on the navigator wouldn't be able to change the speed of the move as long as it is the same bearing.

We do have president from the R2 unit and Ion Card text interaction that other cards may modify what is written on the ion token card, so it would stand to reason that the Navigator card can modify the Ion Token card as well.

Discuss.

No. Because the Ion card specifically says "The owner does not assign a maneuver dial to this ship," and Navigator says " When you reveal a maneuver."

I'd argue that if you aren't assigned a maneuver, you cannot reveal a maneuver. It specifically says you move it " as if " it were assigned a white 1-forward maneuver, which means that technically it has not BEEN assigned a maneuver.

I'd say no.

Navigator says "... you may rotate your dial ..." If you're ionized, you don't have a dial to rotate.

Not only ninja'd by the furball, but better ninja'ed. Not sure it made it into the FAQ, but the general consensus has been that if you're ionized it doesn't count as revealing a maneuver for triggers like bomb dropping. So yeah, even more support there.

Although you know, looking over the FAQ ruling I'm less certain, only because they referred to Ion as assigning a 'white maneuver' that R2 can turn green. Which, again, is FFG not bothering to use slightly important keywords like 'maneuver' with any reliability.

So I'm still like 75% no, but I would have said the same thing about R2 or Nien Numb prior to the FAQ update. It's actually kind of maddening on FFG's part, since it words it like it's not a maneuver, and then a sentence later says "after executing this maneuver, remove all ion tokens from this ship." So it isn't a maneuver, but it is. Once more it comes down to one of those wonky "what is the exact definition of "revealing" a maneuver?

The reason I'm still 75% certain it's no is that R2 and Nien both say "you may treat all....maneuvers", and their effects are not triggered by the REVEALING of a maneuver, just by the existence of the maneuver itself. I would say the way Ion reads, it is 'assigning' you a maneuver, with the dial itself never coming into play, since it specifically says you are NOT assigned a maneuver dial, and thus does not meet Navigator's criteria or 'revealing' a maneuver.

Whatever wonky wording they use, however inconsistently, I think unless it were to be directly overruled by FFG, I would say you cannot reveal a maneuver if you do not assign a maneuver dial to your ship.

CW is where the slight confusion comes in. I am in the no camp as well, but FFG has ruled with R2 before.

The White Ahead 1 from the ion token is still a maneuver, and it's still executed, and still triggers everything appropriate from executing a maneuver. This is important - remember that a lot of things like obstacle collision, stress, etc, all rely on a ship completing a maneuver.

But you don't have a dial, so there's nothing to reveal, so effects which trigger from revealing a maneuver don't go off.

There may possibly be some wonky definition of "reveal" going on somewhere that could change all that, but let's not go looking for trouble if we don't have to For now at least, everything we have is consistent with the direct understanding of revealing a dial and revealing a maneuver.

CW is where the slight confusion comes in. I am in the no camp as well, but FFG has ruled with R2 before.

The R2 is a completely different ability, with a completely different condition, that affects something completely different.

There is pretty much no precedent to be drawn from the R2 to this case.

R2 affects the maneuver when you perform it, so does Nien Numb. Bomb tokens are dropped when you reveal the maneuver, which is not the same thing. The "When you reveal" trigger can start several things, including Navigator, Bomb Dropping, Fetts' ability, etc., all of which would be resolved before you went on to perform the maneuver. So R2 and Nien Numb don't really have anything to do with this.

It would be like having a "when choosing a target" trigger. If you don't choose a target, it doesn't go off. If you don't actually reveal a maneuver, nothing that triggers on "reveal" will go off. The Ion rule sheet is actually very clear about the fact that the player does not choose a maneuver, place a dial, or reveal a maneuver for the Ionized ship, so in this case I believe the interaction is pretty clear.