Heavy repeating blaster

By Tnarg, in Star Wars: Edge of the Empire RPG

The text for this weapon says it comes with a tripod and needs a 2 man crew to set up and use. But it also suggest that maybe it can be used with out the tripod. My question is if fitted with a weapon sling or a weapon harness (or if the player just lives with the cumbersome rating) can one player use this weapon with out help? And other than getting in to trobble if the player was to carry this gun around on core worlds what the problems with using this sort of weapon and what ways could a GM limit it's use if he felt it was overpowered?

That would be a Cumbersome 5 or 6 in my campaign. A heavy repeater is that massive thing the snowtroopers set up in the Falcon's hangar bay in Empire Strikes Back. Clearly it requires two people to manhandle onto the tripod, so it's heavy. And there's also the fact that it doesn't use regular power packs, but is powered by a crate-like power generator that takes one person to carry.

In short, this is a big weapon meant to be used from a stationary/entrenched position, not something you lug around. And there isn't a single world in the galaxy where they'd let you carry around a heavy repeating blaster. It's like walking downtown with a .50 machinegun on your back.

By the way I interpret the rules you can use it as one person. Personally if I have a player that is crazy enough to spend the xp and money to get that set up then I'm crazy enough to let them. Besides, if I ever have someone else GM I don't want to sour them on the idea of having a wookiee running around with one of those.

Note that the rules also require two men: one to fire the thing, and one to operate the power generator. If you instead had the power generator strapped to your back or something (assuming you could carry the thing), I'd require at the bare minimum a setback die (or possibly even a Difficulty upgrade) for the lack of regulation on the generator.

The simple solution to the 'second guy to regulate power' problem is a Gonk droid as a companion. They're power generators with legs, after all.

You won't be going anywhere fast with a GNK, though. They are pretty slow, IIRC. Might as well have your party's slicer or mechanic man the generator while you light 'em up.

I believe that RAW, a single person could use on by themselves, like that guy in the Predator movie with the minigun, just with the powerpack on their back (I wouldn't impose any setback dice, but I would deny them their backpack "slot")

As far as legality, it would be situational really. If they were just passing through a Core World with no particular reason, I can assure you that dock authorities would be very curious as to why the person even owned military grade equipment, let alone permiting them to carry one around.

Now then, if a Black Sun Vigo had made arrangements... well that's different.

I believe that RAW, a single person could use on by themselves, like that guy in the Predator movie with the minigun, just with the powerpack on their back (I wouldn't impose any setback dice, but I would deny them their backpack "slot")

As far as legality, it would be situational really. If they were just passing through a Core World with no particular reason, I can assure you that dock authorities would be very curious as to why the person even owned military grade equipment, let alone permiting them to carry one around.

Now then, if a Black Sun Vigo had made arrangements... well that's different.

This is how we play it. We leave 90% of our weapons in the ship's Armory. We just carry the basics around with us. When we know the SHTF we'll bring whatever is necessary.

Assuming you do have a character who has Brawn 7 and doesn't need the tripod, can you remove it for an additional 2 hard points? Maybe even remove the cost of the tripod mod from the base cost? Thoughts?

Edit: The reason I bring this up is the last line, "The cost of the weapon includes a tripod such as the one found on page 193."

Edited by Xandron

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/File:E-web.jpg

Please <_< , it's 6' long and has a power generator the size of a cooler. What they mean when they say it can be used by one person is that it can be set up and then fired by one person.

**** munchkins...

That would be a Cumbersome 5 or 6 in my campaign. A heavy repeater is that massive thing the snowtroopers set up in the Falcon's hangar bay in Empire Strikes Back. Clearly it requires two people to manhandle onto the tripod, so it's heavy. And there's also the fact that it doesn't use regular power packs, but is powered by a crate-like power generator that takes one person to carry.

In short, this is a big weapon meant to be used from a stationary/entrenched position, not something you lug around. And there isn't a single world in the galaxy where they'd let you carry around a heavy repeating blaster. It's like walking downtown with a .50 machinegun on your back.

Before you poopoo the notion of carrying such a beast, consider 'Ol Painless used in Predator;

http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/Predator

http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/Predators_%282010%29

http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/M134_Minigun

I believe the Ammo was in a backpack.

OK... So I found the real data sheet for the supposedly man portable titanium model...

We're gonna a bigger Wookie!

http://www.dillonaero.com/docs/DADS0001_-_TITLE_AND_GUN_SPECS_.pdf

Tripod Gun 53 pounds... Ammo, 125+ pounds... Recoil, 150-300 pounds... You could fire that baby for 30 seconds! (Can you imagine all the fat rolls moving around on the Heavy in Team Fortress?)

If you want to make it portable by a single individual, I'd allow it for a very large Wookie. I'd make the player count (back pack power plant) ammo, for 3-5 rounds, tops. Not to mention that carrying such a beast would most likely violate the Strategic Arms Limitation Treaties for most civilized or indeed uncivilized planets.

Seriously... if you carry that thing and use it, then everyone in that quadrant of the Galaxy will know who did it. Its that unusual.

It really isn't that hard for a player to use it. Ever watch the clone wars cartoon? Those troopers used something similar/same as the heavy repeating blaster.

It really isn't that hard for a player to use it. Ever watch the clone wars cartoon? Those troopers used something similar/same as the heavy repeating blaster.

It's not the same weapon, that weapon is likely a variant of the Light Repeating Blaster.

That would be a Cumbersome 5 or 6 in my campaign. A heavy repeater is that massive thing the snowtroopers set up in the Falcon's hangar bay in Empire Strikes Back. Clearly it requires two people to manhandle onto the tripod, so it's heavy. And there's also the fact that it doesn't use regular power packs, but is powered by a crate-like power generator that takes one person to carry.

In short, this is a big weapon meant to be used from a stationary/entrenched position, not something you lug around. And there isn't a single world in the galaxy where they'd let you carry around a heavy repeating blaster. It's like walking downtown with a .50 machinegun on your back.

Before you poopoo the notion of carrying such a beast, consider 'Ol Painless used in Predator;

http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/Predator

http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/Predators_%282010%29

http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/M134_Minigun

I believe the Ammo was in a backpack.

Yes, if they did it in an 80's action movie starring the Governator then surely it's perfectly plausible.

The minigun thing would be more akin to a light or even medium repeating blaster, both of which can draw power from a backpack generator. It should be obvious to anyone who sees the picture FuriousGreg posted that no one is carrying that baby on their back anytime soon. But by all means, you can do what you like in your campaign.

Assuming you do have a character who has Brawn 7 and doesn't need the tripod, can you remove it for an additional 2 hard points? Maybe even remove the cost of the tripod mod from the base cost? Thoughts?

Edit: The reason I bring this up is the last line, "The cost of the weapon includes a tripod such as the one found on page 193."

The Core rule book says it has a Cumbersome 5, So with a weapon harness would meen I would only need brawn of 3 (which I have) to use it with out penity?

I believe that RAW, a single person could use on by themselves, like that guy in the Predator movie with the minigun, just with the powerpack on their back (I wouldn't impose any setback dice, but I would deny them their backpack "slot")

That sound fair carrying this thing with out a backpack would limit a player.

http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20091202144737/starwars/images/d/dc/E-web.jpg


This is an E-WEB in action. This is literally the gun pictured in the book. That generator is big, but you could easily carry it on your back if you were beefy, and just wield the weapon underslung commando style.

I wouldn't say "NO BACKPACKS!" Instead, I would highly encourage them to use a backpack, since chances are there would be some kind of device keeping the generator secure on your back. That would be your "Backpack." It would actually just be a generator securing device.

You could TOTALLY do that with this weapon and you all know it. :P

That generator is big, but you could easily carry it on your back if you were beefy, and just wield the weapon underslung commando style.

Maybe if you were a Whiphid and around 7 and a half feet tall and built wide. For a human being sized species... good lord that generator is large, and I would guess heavy as hell.

I am reminded of Jorge from Halo: Reach.

That generator is big, but you could easily carry it on your back if you were beefy, and just wield the weapon underslung commando style.

Maybe if you were a Whiphid and around 7 and a half feet tall and built wide. For a human being sized species... good lord that generator is large, and I would guess heavy as hell.

Hence the strength 5+ requirement.

Its not just Brawn though. Being strong is one thing, that thing is BULKY. Hung on your back, it would probably be banging on the back of your knees. Possibly it could be cut down and made smaller, but it would be highly specialized equipment and not a run of the mill generator.

I still think the largest thing that can really be considered man portable is the Light Repeating Blaster. Maybe a Medium repeating could be houseruled to be halfway between them, but the heavy repeating seems way too big for use as a man portable weapon.

That would be a Cumbersome 5 or 6 in my campaign. A heavy repeater is that massive thing the snowtroopers set up in the Falcon's hangar bay in Empire Strikes Back. Clearly it requires two people to manhandle onto the tripod, so it's heavy. And there's also the fact that it doesn't use regular power packs, but is powered by a crate-like power generator that takes one person to carry.

In short, this is a big weapon meant to be used from a stationary/entrenched position, not something you lug around. And there isn't a single world in the galaxy where they'd let you carry around a heavy repeating blaster. It's like walking downtown with a .50 machinegun on your back.

Before you poopoo the notion of carrying such a beast, consider 'Ol Painless used in Predator;

http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/Predator

http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/Predators_%282010%29

http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/M134_Minigun

I believe the Ammo was in a backpack.

OK... So I found the real data sheet for the supposedly man portable titanium model...

We're gonna a bigger Wookie!

http://www.dillonaero.com/docs/DADS0001_-_TITLE_AND_GUN_SPECS_.pdf

Tripod Gun 53 pounds... Ammo, 125+ pounds... Recoil, 150-300 pounds... You could fire that baby for 30 seconds! (Can you imagine all the fat rolls moving around on the Heavy in Team Fortress?)

If you want to make it portable by a single individual, I'd allow it for a very large Wookie. I'd make the player count (back pack power plant) ammo, for 3-5 rounds, tops. Not to mention that carrying such a beast would most likely violate the Strategic Arms Limitation Treaties for most civilized or indeed uncivilized planets.

Seriously... if you carry that thing and use it, then everyone in that quadrant of the Galaxy will know who did it. Its that unusual.

Have you looked at the M-214 for a better idea of what 'Ol Painless was supposed to be?

The EWHB-12 http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/EWHB-12_heavy_repeating_blaster seems a bit smaller than what I'm assuming was its eventual successor. However, the power generator seems to be just as large.

Presumably replacing the *ahem* " Eksoan Class-4T3 power generator " with something more portable would likely result in the weapon being less than reliable; I don't think the "limited ammo" modifier would be uncalled for. (Away from my rulebook at the moment; I'm not terribly sure what that would even do!)

As for the tripod, some sort of miniature repulsorlift might be installed instead (fairly certain this is lorefriendly) .

The EWHB-12 http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/EWHB-12_heavy_repeating_blaster seems a bit smaller than what I'm assuming was its eventual successor. However, the power generator seems to be just as large.

Presumably replacing the *ahem* "[/size] Eksoan [/size] Class-4T3 power generator " with something more portable would likely result in the weapon being less than reliable; I don't think the "limited ammo" modifier would be uncalled for. (Away from my rulebook at the moment; I'm not terribly sure what that would even do!)

As for the tripod, some sort of miniature repulsorlift might be installed instead (fairly certain this is lorefriendly) .

Limits Ammo 5 means the weapon's got 5 "shots" in it, meaning you can make 5 checks with the thing before needing to recharge or reload.

What are you envisioning the mini repulsorlift doing? I could see someone reskinning certain gear as a repulsor hitch or some other type of assisted carrying, but it kinda depends on what it's for.

What are you envisioning the mini repulsorlift doing?

Frankly, I just saw it as a way to hand-wave a feat normally reserved for 80's action movies. :P

So is limited ammo what applies to the heavy blaster pistol? Something about threats or despairs indicating (w/GM fiat) that the gun has run out of ammunition?