A question regarding multiple collisions in a single movement

By tsondaboy, in X-Wing Rules Questions

I had the following situation in a game yesterday.

In order to avoid collision with a ship I backtracked along the template and had to stop on an asteroid. My template was not overlapping the asteroid, only the ship base after backtracking.

In this case, do I still have to roll for damage and also miss combat phase?

Yes, you suffer any ill effects from the final position of your ship after back-tracking. Including back-tracking again if you end overlapping another ship.

Ok thanks, good to know.

In your example, I will be able to combat with the first ship I collided with since the second back-tracking will have my base touching a diferent ship, is that correct?

Correct.

Also note that back-tracking can also 'save' you from ill effects.

For example, let's think that your template goes through an asteroid, but you end overlapping a ship. You resolve the back-track and it results that your final position ends before reaching the obstacle in first place. In this case, you won't have to roll for damage, since the game considers that you never touched the obstacle.

In other words, only your final position matters. And in the case of the template, only the effective portion between the 'start' and the final position of the ship (the rear guides) is taken into account to determine any possible effects.

Ok thanks, good to know.

In your example, I will be able to combat with the first ship I collided with since the second back-tracking will have my base touching a diferent ship, is that correct?

Keep in mind, however, that if you are overlapping an asteroid you cannot attack anyone that round.

only the effective portion between the 'start' and the final position of the ship (the rear guides) is taken into account to determine any possible effects.

Has this been ruled on somewhere? I can't find it anywhere.

From the FAQ:

Q: A ship executes a maneuver in which its template or final position overlaps
an obstacle. Due to avoiding collisions with other ships, it ends up stopping
before reaching the obstacle. Does it still suffer the effects of moving through or
overlapping an obstacle?
A: No.

Edited by Jehan Menasis

Thanks

And in the case of the template, only the effective portion between the 'start' and the final position of the ship (the rear guides) is taken into account to determine any possible effects.

Can you cite that, please? I don't know where that is. (I get that it makes sense thematically, but using that logic leads down a long road to rules ruin so I never use "common sense".)

The nubs are part of the base.

Q: A ship executes a maneuver in which its template or final position overlaps
an obstacle. Due to avoiding collisions with other ships, it ends up stopping
before reaching the obstacle. Does it still suffer the effects of moving through or
overlapping an obstacle?
A: No.

And in the case of the template, only the effective portion between the 'start' and the final position of the ship (the rear guides) is taken into account to determine any possible effects.

Can you cite that, please? I don't know where that is. (I get that it makes sense thematically, but using that logic leads down a long road to rules ruin so I never use "common sense".)

It is the only logical conclusion by reading the FAQ entry.

Note that it says: "In which its template or final position..." so:

1.- When we backtrack our ship, the template is still there, overlapping the obstacle. If that 'excess' portion made our ship still suffer the ill effects from the obstacle, we would be directly contradicting the FAQ, which clearly states that we do not suffer penalty if we stop before the obstacle even if our template touches it. So the 'excess' template's portion doesn't count.

2.- As an example, our ship can start the maneuver already parked on top of an obstacle, with the movement template touching it at their very start. In this situation, I don't truly think that anyone would dare to argue that avoiding the ill effects from the 2nd obstacle due to a backtrack, also makes the ship to ignore the effects from the 1st obstacle. So, the template's portion between the maneuver 'start' to our final position has to count to determine ill effects.

So yes, technically it is not explicitly stated, as you said... But it's the only practical and logical way of applying FAQ's ruling without entering the realm of silliness. That said, if you really want to argue the 2nd point, feel free to do so.