I know why I never wanted to play GW games.

Is it because warring against Chaos by chucking 40d6 at it is just an abuse of sarcasm?

I know why I never wanted to play GW games.

Is it because warring against Chaos by chucking 40d6 at it is just an abuse of sarcasm?

I think the real reason is that I am a generation too old.

I am a board wargamer and I invested in historical wargames - especially in ASL.

I heard about GW quite late, and heard about the buckets of dice one has to throw.

But I would have tried the game if it had not been the cost of figurines (and the theme is not exactly my cup of tea).

I know why I never wanted to play GW games.

Is it because warring against Chaos by chucking 40d6 at it is just an abuse of sarcasm?

I think the real reason is that I am a generation too old.

I am a board wargamer and I invested in historical wargames - especially in ASL.

I heard about GW quite late, and heard about the buckets of dice one has to throw.

But I would have tried the game if it had not been the cost of figurines (and the theme is not exactly my cup of tea).

I know I'm gonna' get filleted for saying this on a boardgame site but what is ASL please? I was first introduced to GW by a friend who told me about this amazing boardgame called Adeptus Titanicus. I went to pick it up and man it must have been a hit because I couldn't find it for two months and then decided to buy their Space Marine game to see if it was maybe just as good and I was immediately struck by the amount of history and lore that was in the rulebook. The theme of 40,000 has always been fascinating to me. While Space Marine was a good game, maybe even a great game had I given it a chance, I was soon introduced to FASA's extremely available magnum opus: BattleTech. No other game other than D&D would see my money for like, four years. Yet I have always been interested in 40,000 history and lore, some of the stories have so much depth and character that whether or not I played the game didn't matter but whenever I think of taking the plunge, It's not just the cost, but the game itself. When I watch people playing it it just doesn't look like there's a lot of game there. It's weird that I seem to like Relic and Space Marine better but it's true. Love the lore and theme but the game itself has never gotten me to bite. It also has the Descent 1.0 issue of needing it's own room.

ASL is Advanced Squad Leader, a WW2 tactical (1/2000 scale) wargame.

About 300 pages of rules, thousands of scenarios, etc.

It really is the ultimate WW2 tactical wargame as it has kept an important following since its creation in 1985 (one can even take Squad Leader as a start, which would go back to 1976).

Unfortunately, ASL players are from an old generation (ages go from 40 to 60) and that type of game does not attract younger generations.

You can go and see more about it on Boardgamegeek (or on gamesquad.com, which has the most important forum for ASL fans).

Honestly the fact that FFG is selling the lieutenant figures separately doesn't bother me. I expected that when I got the game. The price of each is not that bad either, if you do some digging (can sometimes find it for about $6 each). It is much cheaper than I originally thought it would be when I started this thread.

My only complaint is that I wish FFG had put an option to buy all of the packs together, and given a slight discount. It would give a nice option to spend more at once but save money in the long run, or pay a little at a time, saving money in the short run, but overall spending more. The latter would have also provided the option of only buying some of the packs. I just feel like it would have been a much better marketing structure.

-Daggon

As part of the price of a product is the cost of the package, a single box containing all lieutenants should generate a slightly lower cost.

Would it sell better?

Perhaps. Perhaps not.

I would be tempted to purchase such an "all in one" box.

Honestly the fact that FFG is selling the lieutenant figures separately doesn't bother me. I expected that when I got the game. The price of each is not that bad either, if you do some digging (can sometimes find it for about $6 each). It is much cheaper than I originally thought it would be when I started this thread.

My only complaint is that I wish FFG had put an option to buy all of the packs together, and given a slight discount. It would give a nice option to spend more at once but save money in the long run, or pay a little at a time, saving money in the short run, but overall spending more. The latter would have also provided the option of only buying some of the packs. I just feel like it would have been a much better marketing structure.

-Daggon

Dear FFG,

Please listen to daggonthing's idea.

Thank You,

xodarap

P.S. I think that would be really cool especially if they marketed it like a fan's edition and added some shiny fluff bits like maps of Terrinoth, (That doubled as posters) Stickers for the inevitable plano boxes, and maybe a T-shirt! What?! hey it worked for video games.......

As part of the price of a product is the cost of the package, a single box containing all lieutenants should generate a slightly lower cost.

Would it sell better?

Perhaps. Perhaps not.

I would be tempted to purchase such an "all in one" box.

So would I! If by "tempted" you mean buying it pretty much as soon as it was released. I'm hoping that they keep doing the modular expansions as well. How cool would it be if they started doing small card expansions the way they once did for Runebound or releasing new quest sets just as books i.e. the old school D&D modules?

By the way (and off topic) I checked out ASL and just wanted to ask how long do those games usually take? Is it more like Relic or Descent (which I can play often) or more like Horus Heresy which I would buy in an instant if I didn't know it would hit the table annually? Apparently they have re-released and are going to reprint BattleTech so I may just be getting that to get my wargame on.

ASL is a monster game.

A scenario takes 3 hours minimum to be played.

However, the Starter Kits are all-in-one games, with simplified rules all you need to play six scenarios.

The price is low and allows to get a nice feel of the system without needing to buy the whole thing.

For more information, send me an email : hobgob (at) sunrise (dot) ch

On topic again : I am very confident that other expansions will come out for Descent. I even do find that they are coming out a little too fast...

This is the sign of the game's success, and I don't see why FFG would stop feeding the hungry, greedy masses of fans.