I do not mean to derail a useful discussion with people whining about power gamers or what they think of them. My group largely comes from a TT background, they all have college or graduate level education, several of them in math, statistics, physics, or economics. This means that our game style is different (as all games are). I wouldn't have it any other way. You do not have to feel threatened or judgmental about how my group does things, do your game your way, by all means.

I only meant to express that a running list of houserules/clarifications was not something I saw as avoidable (my players enjoy exploring a system and improving it to be honest). GauntZero is correct, we should work towards having the best rules we can under the circumstances before we take them each to our own interpretations of 40k and the storylines we stitch together. That is all.

I do not mean to derail a useful discussion with people whining about power gamers or what they think of them. My group largely comes from a TT background, they all have college or graduate level education, several of them in math, statistics, physics, or economics. This means that our game style is different (as all games are). I wouldn't have it any other way. You do not have to feel threatened or judgmental about how my group does things, do your game your way, by all means.

I only meant to express that a running list of houserules/clarifications was not something I saw as avoidable (my players enjoy exploring a system and improving it to be honest). GauntZero is correct, we should work towards having the best rules we can under the circumstances before we take them each to our own interpretations of 40k and the storylines we stitch together. That is all.

Sound a lot like my player group.

They are not bad roleplayers at all - they are just very mind-focussed and try to get the best out of the rules to optimize their characters, so they can serve the Emperor well. Good men with good intentions.

But they need clear rules, which make sense (otherwise they will discuss the whole evening with me instead of playing - believe me, I already had that kind of "playing sessions").

I had that discussion last night. Three elites attack the group and the entire coversation was about rate of fire. Think it took a half a hour to a hour to get through that.

Did you have fun? If so, success. Don't get hung up on making forward progress I say. The point is the fun, the progress is merely a vehicle.

Though if he means ROF sparked a half hour debate on its use, there's still a bit of adjusting to be done there.

Probably the fractionals vs statics vs the ability-based?

I have to say that I'm a bit disappointed in the interaction between the beta testers and FFGs staff during this beta. Their first update did indeed target issues that we flagged, but since then there have been very few changes in the updates.

According to this page:

http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/edge_minisite_sec.asp?eidm=243&esem=1

When do I need to submit my feedback?

The deadline for all feedback on this beta test is September 11, 2013.

So that means we get no-more updates and all our hard work has basically been ignored. I have tried my best to not be someone who has been overly negative during the beta, which has lead to me just keeping quiet and hoping for a fix in the near future. I'm not sure how FFG plan to move forward after the deadline. Will they continue to make fixes based on old feedback? I hope so because at the moment the game is far too full of bugs for my liking. We have all done our best to make intuative and simple suggestions for bug fixes, it would be nice to see them implemented.

I've been very positive about the second edition - and I still am - but I'll also be the first to say that it's not "ready".

There's a lot left to be fixed. Much of it has been covered on this forum, but I doubt we've reached in very far yet.

Sticking to the September 11th deadline would be a huge mistake. DH2 could be great, but if released in its current state, I'm going to have to house-rule lots of things immediately - which is exactly what I wanted to avoid by getting a new edition.

This beta needs at least another month. Preferably two.

I would be really surprised if FFG did not extend the beta. They've skipped 2 updates, and releasing one final update and then a day later ending the beta would mean there wouldn't be time to playtest the update, which is self-defeating.

With the exception of some spellchecking I haven't noticed any of the updates containing changes that were suggested by beta testers. Is it that they never wanted said suggestions, or am I to believe that every one of the suggestions are not up to scratch?

With the exception of some spellchecking I haven't noticed any of the updates containing changes that were suggested by beta testers. Is it that they never wanted said suggestions, or am I to believe that every one of the suggestions are not up to scratch?

You're just not looking close enough at the changes that players have been requesting.

Felling to apply to Nimble was initially suggested by players here.

Admittedly I have not checked every post. I have been reading every update though. I only said that I have not noticed any. Please forgive my wrongness!

With the exception of some spellchecking I haven't noticed any of the updates containing changes that were suggested by beta testers. Is it that they never wanted said suggestions, or am I to believe that every one of the suggestions are not up to scratch?

Apart from the lackluster 2nd update, I felt every update was spot-on for what we asked for. For the third update, I felt they were implementing changes that I (and others) had suggested almost verbatim.

I think the back-and-forth (apart from the canceled updates) has been great. The updates show great promise. I just fear we won't get enough of them.

I just had another look at update 3 and I can't say I agree. Very few of the topics I see coming up repeatedly seem to have been dealt with. Perhaps, it's just that they're dealing with areas that don't peak my interest, or it's that those who post more get more weight put behind their opinion *shrugs*

Well I'll cross my fingers for more updates.

Well - lets all hope for a soon update to come...

>The Emperor updates<