Ten Towers Longship & He Calls It Thinking

By snowfrost, in 2. AGoT Rules Discussion

Ten Towers Longship:

You may place an event card attached to Ten Towers Longship on the bottom of its owner's deck to play it as if it was in your hand.

After I use He Calls It Thinking attached to my Ten Towers Longship,it goes to the bottom of my oppenent's deck,or must be attached to a House Martell character?

thanks.

you're putting it on the bottom of their deck in order to play it, so I lean that it still goes there. Besides, you're treating it as if *you* were playing it from *your* hand. So, you get to pick where it gets attached if it still has to.

Edited by stormwolf27

Bear with me on this interpretation.

I'm thinking that He Calls it Thinking still attaches to a Martell character, if possible, but is still moribund:bottom of deck.

I was going to compare this to Robert Baratheon:

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However, his ability puts the event card back into the deck as part of the "then" effect and not the cost like mentioned above. The comparison would have been with Summer/Winter Reserves where it does not get shuffled back into your deck because it is no longer an event card(I think that is the correct interpretation).

that's kind of a weird "going through the motions" sequence if it still ends up on the bottom of the deck, but I see where you're coming from

Well, that's not the actual text on Ten Towers Longship. Its actual text mirrors Robert's and is:

"You may discard an event card attached to Ten Towers Longship to play it as if it was in your hand. Then, place that event on the bottom of its owners deck."

So you are not placing it on the bottom of the owner's deck as a cost to play. Rather, you placing it on the bottom the owner's deck after you play it/resolve it. With the Longship's effect, entering the "moribund:bottom of deck" state replaces the usual "moribund:discard" state an event enters into after being played - and happens after the event's effect itself resolves.

For "He Calls It Thinking," since the event's effect must resolve before becoming "moribund" anything, it will be attached before it becomes moribund. Once it is attached, it is considered an attachment, not an event and there is no "that event" for Ten Towers Longship to place on the bottom of the deck anymore. (BTW: This is the exact same reason "He Calls It Thinking" does not become "moribund:discard" after attaching when playing the event from your hand, too.)

Result: Playing "He Calls It Thinking" with Ten Towers Longship results in attaching the card to a Martell character (whether you want to or not), and the attachment stays.

And this is why card text needs to be quoted to be exactly what is printed. I trusted it was in the OP...

oh~thanks~

Ten Towers Longship:

You may place an event card attached to Ten Towers Longship on the bottom of its owner's deck to play it as if it was in your hand.

Well, that's not the actual text on Ten Towers Longship. Its actual text mirrors Robert's and is:

"You may discard an event card attached to Ten Towers Longship to play it as if it was in your hand. Then, place that event on the bottom of its owners deck."

Having just looked at the card in question on both agotcards and cardgamedb , it's come to my attention that each site has a different version of the card. I haven't bought A Journey's End yet, so I'd just like confirmation on which is the actual text printed on the card.

If it is the second one (the agotcards version and the one Ktom quoted), it seems odd to me that making the event card moribund:discard pile is the cost of using it, and it then changes its moribund destination to moribund:bottom of deck as part of its resolution. How is this possible?

Furthermore, in response to the original question, the event isn't an event when it is attached to the loacation (as per 3.24 of the faq - (3.24) Card Type Changes to Attachment; An attachment is defined as a card in your deck, hand, discard pile, or dead pile, of the actual "attachment" card type, as well as any card in play that is considered to be "attached" to another card .), so shouldn't it fail to put "that event" on the bottom of the owner's deck regardless of whether it is attached to a Martell character or still attached to the location (by the logic discussed above)? I understand the concept being discussed here, but the wording on Ten Towers Longship is very poor, it should probably read "unattach an event to play it..." instead of "discard an event to play it..." Technically, there are no event cards attached to Ten Towers Longship in the first place, only attachments, so it should be impossible to use the ability at all, as it requires you to find events attached...

Edited by J_Roel

The actual card text appears to be (I'm staring at it right now)

"You may place an event card attached to Ten Towers Longship on the bottom of its owner's deck to play it as if it was in your hand."

Which is what was originaly posted by the OP. Now I'm sure we can all agree it should be "as if it were in your hand", but the subjunctive aside...

Okay, so the op's question still stands then; the event goes moribund as part of its cost and must still leave play after being attached to a character it seems.

I am still slightly curious here whether it's technically correct to say "an event card attached to Ten Towers Longship"

Edited by J_Roel