I am curious to see how many others are interested (all practicality aside) of preferring an option to have any capital ships, if produced, at the original 1/270 scale.

For the cinematic play objective, I understand the "sliding scale". But as a enthusiast, it kinda of breaks my heart a little to put one of these along side my other ships, to which thew scale was so carefully maintained. Although I expect the detail to be better for these models than some of the "toys" already out there. The difference in scale is the chief reason I have not already picked one up.

I would just like to say I would like to have an option to buy the any of these capital ships at the true 1/270 scale factor, with the understanding that some might be packaged in pieces, and or just not produced at all. but the for the "smaller" capital ship (3.g. anything at or less than a strike cruiser.) I would like to be able to enjoy the models in the correct scale with one another.

RogueMorgan

It's a game, it's meant to be played. I'm down for whatever is most conducive to a better gaming experience.

I would first just like to see a "future list" of what capital ships they are thinking of having. I think keeping one scale is nice in theory but impractical in cost and handling. The price alone would have to be several hundred dollars for a true scale captal ship, even those smaller corvettes that are only 250m is going to be 3 feet long. So they are cost and space prohibitive for most of the likely consumers.

An alternative idea: They could rescaled everything to 1/450 (or so) for their "epic" scale and possible base multiple fighters together. Fighters then operate more realistically in flights, with a leader and wingman.

I am not sure many people would want to have 2 different scales of the same model but it would seem to be possible. It all depends on how the "epic" game mode plays, it could be a simpler system with less micro-management of individual fighters.

Scale is already off, look at the A-wing. Look at the fact that MUH FUGGIN SPACE LAZORS seem to have a range of about 500 feet. I would rather have playable capital ships than a massive chunk of resin that just sits there and costs me a few hundred bucks. Space game scale has pretty much always been super abstract anyways. So, as long as a capital ship is 'big enough' I dont care.

Most capital ships in Star Wars are big, really BIG. A Victory I Class would be around 10' long and only serve as fixed platform at best and a back drop at worst.

I'm in between on this one. I wouldn't mind the Tantive IV, Vigil Class Corvette or GR-75. But all of those are close to the playable limit. A Tantive IV to scales would be about 22". A CR-70 or GR-45 which are basically smaller versions?

A CR-90 to scale, if it's affordable, count me in. But fans all over the place have been coming out with their own Capital Ships, Death Star Trenches for $100+, etc... I love the fighter aspect but mixing it up with larger ships (scaled down for play-ability) awesome.

Here is where I personally need to be careful, haha. Two games that go so large we stopped playing were Ogre/GEV and 40k Epic. We used to play both and had lots of fun. We played all the time. But as we played the more we expanded, as we expanded the more time it took (both setup and play). Do you know how long it takes to set up 2 Regiments of Imperial Guard, 2 Regiments of Space Marines and another 2 Regiments of Titans all fully painted covering an area 6' by 15' with full terrain, gullies, hills, cliffs (Geo-Hex 8 boxes) and buildings. Wow, was that fun. But games went from evening, to afternoons, to entire days, to...

We stopped because it got too hard to play. So for me I can't wait, but a 1000 point game, we'll see.

_{I think that the 'smaller' capital ships like the CR-90 or Vigil will work at a slightly smaller scale as the diff on the board will be insignificant. However Star Destroyers etc would be a no no for me.}

_{My group are about to start a campaign where capital ships at the CR-90 and Vigil scale will be active combat vessels, so we'll see how it goes. We are using a Kenner CR-90 and a Kenner Star Destroyer as a Vigil. They look quite good next to the FFG ships.}

I'm in between on this one. I wouldn't mind the Tantive IV, Vigil Class Corvette or GR-75. But all of those are close to the playable limit. A Tantive IV to scales would be about 22". A CR-70 or GR-45 which are basically smaller versions?

... 40k Epic. .... Do you know how long it takes to set up 2 Regiments of Imperial Guard, 2 Regiments of Space Marines and another 2 Regiments of Titans all fully painted covering an area 6' by 15' with full terrain, gullies, hills, cliffs (Geo-Hex 8 boxes) and buildings. Wow, was that fun. But games went from evening, to afternoons, to entire days, to...

I couldn't agree more on the capital vessels. I'd love to stick to one scale but it just is not feasible given the dimensions of some of these vessels. I also question if it is even suitable for some to make an appearance even.

LMK the date for next Epic game! We haven't played in a while but a few of us here in TX are avid 40K Epic players. We play the older 2nd edition Space Marine/Titan Legions version. I only have Space Marines and IG now but their size is massive. Excuse my Holy Grail indulgence:

Warmonger Imperator Titan. You do not find too many of these around.

_{I think that the 'smaller' capital ships like the CR-90 or Vigil will work at a slightly smaller scale as the diff on the board will be insignificant. However Star Destroyers etc would be a no no for me.}

_{My group are about to start a campaign where capital ships at the CR-90 and Vigil scale will be active combat vessels, so we'll see how it goes. We are using a Kenner CR-90 and a Kenner Star Destroyer as a Vigil. They look quite good next to the FFG ships.}

If you don't mind, please share the details of this campaign. I have both of those vessels and already converted the star destroyer to mini-Vigil gunship. We are looking for a situation to place them both in a game together. For now, we were just planning on placing each on the board along with fighter compliment and slug it out.

_@DoubleNot7

_{I will post all the updated rules and map under the topic on this forum "A Simple Campaign" either later today or tomorrow morning.}

I'm in between on this one. I wouldn't mind the Tantive IV, Vigil Class Corvette or GR-75. But all of those are close to the playable limit. A Tantive IV to scales would be about 22". A CR-70 or GR-45 which are basically smaller versions?

... 40k Epic. .... Do you know how long it takes to set up 2 Regiments of Imperial Guard, 2 Regiments of Space Marines and another 2 Regiments of Titans all fully painted covering an area 6' by 15' with full terrain, gullies, hills, cliffs (Geo-Hex 8 boxes) and buildings. Wow, was that fun. But games went from evening, to afternoons, to entire days, to...

I couldn't agree more on the capital vessels. I'd love to stick to one scale but it just is not feasible given the dimensions of some of these vessels. I also question if it is even suitable for some to make an appearance even.

LMK the date for next Epic game! We haven't played in a while but a few of us here in TX are avid 40K Epic players. We play the older 2nd edition Space Marine/Titan Legions version. I only have Space Marines and IG now but their size is massive. Excuse my Holy Grail indulgence:

Warmonger Imperator Titan. You do not find too many of these around.

Awesome. It has been a while since we've played. I've been telling my wife I'll see off my stuff for the last year just can't bring myself to do it.

I'm ok with the big ships being out of scale as long as they aren't too much so. I mean they are about 40% out of scale now to fit on the table to but the Fighters still look fine beside them. I just hope we don't see anything that is longer than 250m in canon because then it will start to be unreasonable without looking wonky and I think that measurement is probably erring on the side of too big. Capitol ships one scale. Fighters other scale. I'm happy.

Also the A-wing is not out of scale... FFG got the measurements from LFL. Are you going to look the creators of Star Wars in the face and tell them their measurement is wrong?

It's a game, it's meant to be played. I'm down for whatever is most conducive to a better gaming experience.

+100

If making the CR-90 to proper scale means it's 22" long, then I have trouble seeing many people buying it. At that size you'd need something like a 4x6' table before you could really move it at all.

If however making it a different scale and with a lower price point, lets it be used more often in the existing x-wing game, then I'd rather have it be the wrong scale.

Plus if the CR-90 right now will run $90, the larger one would be closer to $150-175.

If making the CR-90 to proper scale means it's 22" long, then I have trouble seeing many people buying it. At that size you'd need something like a 4x6' table before you could really move it at all.

If however making it a different scale and with a lower price point, lets it be used more often in the existing x-wing game, then I'd rather have it be the wrong scale.

Plus if the CR-90 right now will run $90, the larger one would be closer to $150-175.

And $90 for a single ship that isn't a complete game might slow down sales somewhat.

On the other hand there may be more that a few Star War collectors that would be happy to pick up a highly detailed model, game or not!

Are you going to look the creators of Star Wars in the face and tell them their measurement is wrong?

I'd be okay with that. I know the A-Wing scale argument is a tired one. I think FFG's approach is defensible and I won't fault them for that. But unless the A-Wing pilots' heads are three feet across, that is not a 30-foot long ship.

When you look at photos of all the LF models in the same room, I can see what's going on. There's a practical approach to their construction. They were built in a way that made sense for filming purposes. You know what the craft don't have? A unifying metric. They're all kitbashed, with the intention of the actual film experience to provide scale. In reality, the Tantive IV model is only a few inches longer than the Falcon. The Nebulon-B is not much longer than that. That suggests that LFL approached the scale in a somewhat arbitrary fashion. I think it's likely that someone—probably not the person who built the models—looked at all the starfighter film models and assumed they were constructed to scale, and just made up the numbers from there.

It can be argued that FFG did everything they could and are using official data—I won't contest that at all. But I will contest that LF used arbitrary and sometimes-meaningless numbers to provide to their partners. The films themselves are canon, not the measurement of the film models. And there is more than enough evidence in them to suggest the A-Wing is not 9.6 meters long. Same for the TIEs, to a lesser extent.

That being said, since we're already dealing with a sort of sliding scale with TIEs and A-Wings, and I think it's been handled to the best of FFG's ability, I wouldn't mind some scale flubs with capital ships as long as it remained convincing enough. The scale on the CR-90 is reasonable—but a 3 or 4 foot star destroyer would be ridiculous. If we can stick with frigates and freighters, and keep the focus on starfighter squadrons, I think that will be good.

I think an entirely new game at a capital ship scale would be welcome in the future.

The scale on the CR-90 is reasonable—but a 3 or 4 foot star destroyer would be ridiculous. If we can stick with frigates and freighters, and keep the focus on starfighter squadrons, I think that will be good.

I think an entirely new game at a capital ship scale would be welcome in the future.

This pretty much sums it up for me. 3 or 4 foot long Star Destroyers would likely be over $200 and look really, really stupid. And if they scale it down to match the Corvette, it would look even worse. Stick with the smaller capital ships and I think it will be loads of fun and look really good.

Jim

I think FFG figured out that in order to make larger ships that would not break the the bank ; they would have to slightly reduce the scale....So far it looks like they will please those with epic aspirations and the Dogfighting enthusiasts.... The plus side is that they have stated that these 2 are part of a totally diff gaming system and set apart from the X- Wing game....It will nott interfere or hinder the current game.... The ships are painted and detailed and as long as they stay consistent with the new scale I do nott see anything worth complaining about....... looking forward to seeing what else the mystic wizards have in store for us all....Never give up,Never surrender

Even with the change to scale the current solution is still closer than the Wizards starship miniatures game got. I like the idea of keeping X-Wing in an exact 1/270 scale, sure, which would require a bit of a bump in the size of the capital ships (right now rather than a GR-75 and a CR90 we've got closer to a GR-45 and a CR70), but doing so would also require the game to bump up to a larger playing area. I'll be honest, I have no problem going all Warhammer 40k with X-Wing and pushing for a 4 x 6 table.

Then again....we'll probably still never get a star destroyer in 1/270 scale, it'd have to be about five feet long and cost like $400 minimum.

Then again....we'll probably still never get a star destroyer in 1/270 scale, it'd have to be about five feet long and cost like $400 minimum.

The Vigil and the Rogue Shadow would do me.... maybe a mandelorian corvette

LMK the date for next Epic game! We haven't played in a while but a few of us here in TX are avid 40K Epic players. We play the older 2nd edition Space Marine/Titan Legions version. I only have Space Marines and IG now but their size is massive. Excuse my Holy Grail indulgence:

Oh it's SO big a manly. I'm feeling jelous all I have is a couple of warhounds...

I think the CR-90 and the GR-75 are passable at there current size, although if I really had a choice I'd have kept them at 1/270. What scares me is the term "sliding" scale. I don't want to see bigger ships at even more reduced scale. When a fighter is placed next to them, it still needs to be halfway believable. So keep the capitol ship scale where it is at, and only make ships that can reasonably used in the game. That being said, hopefully epic rules will increase the playing size, so we can use fairly big ships like the Vigil or even Nebulon-B on the board with halfway believable visuals.

On a side note, dang the empire just doesn't do anything halfway. They just don't have an abundance of ships that fall into this scale. But, I think there are enough ships to keep are wallets empty for a long time.

I think an entirely new game at a capital ship scale would be welcome in the future.

I would love to see this. X-Wing is great, but would also love a capital ship scale version using FlightPath. Maybe with small flight groups of fighters sharing a small base.

The GR 45 would be an excellent option to scale. It looks pretty close to the size of the FFG GR75 model, which is darn nice.

I like holding the same scale. Larger ships simply require larger starfields.

Even with the change to scale the current solution is still closer than the Wizards starship miniatures game got. I like the idea of keeping X-Wing in an exact 1/270 scale, sure, which would require a bit of a bump in the size of the capital ships (right now rather than a GR-75 and a CR90 we've got closer to a GR-45 and a CR70), but doing so would also require the game to bump up to a larger playing area. I'll be honest, I have no problem going all Warhammer 40k with X-Wing and pushing for a 4 x 6 table.

Then again....we'll probably still never get a star destroyer in 1/270 scale, it'd have to be about five feet long and cost like $400 minimum.

I think the CR-90 and the GR-75 are passable at there current size, although if I really had a choice I'd have kept them at 1/270. What scares me is the term "sliding" scale. I don't want to see bigger ships at even more reduced scale. When a fighter is placed next to them, it still needs to be halfway believable. So keep the capitol ship scale where it is at, and only make ships that can reasonably used in the game. That being said, hopefully epic rules will increase the playing size, so we can use fairly big ships like the Vigil or even Nebulon-B on the board with halfway believable visuals.

On a side note, dang the empire just doesn't do anything halfway. They just don't have an abundance of ships that fall into this scale. But, I think there are enough ships to keep are wallets empty for a long time.

I'm basically in agreement with you both.

I wouldn't personally mind making a single $150 or so Corvette purchase if it meant we could keep it in the 1/270 scale, but I get that I'm not necessarily representative of the wider market. I'd rather have this gorgeous model than not, in that case.

However, I don't want arbitrarily changing the scale just to get a new model on the table to become a habit. I *don't* want to see Star Destroyers at a 1/750 scale, for instance -- I'd rather see rules for playing starfighter battles with turbolasers along the edge representing the keel of a Star Destroyer or something, with all the other movement relative to the big capitol ship that's the closest thing to a horizon or fixed point around.

wait till we see the rules they may add rules to make hitting it feel like its still 1/270th even though its not. and maybe it can only move 1's

I am very conflicted by this latest info from FFG. On the one hand the addition of large highly detailed miniatures into the game I think is a good thing. Two new play styles and additional tactical cards is always a good thing. The CR90 is being bought and displayed no matter what. I already have a Kenner CR90 which is actually more like a CR70 and a Micromachine GR75. They are both roughly 1/340 scale which works for me quite nicely. Makes them small enough to be playable but large enough to look good with the fighters. The pre-production models shown by FFG just look way to small to even be passable close to the fighters being used with them. The CR90 looks about 12” long so they are probably close to 1/550 scale (just a guess at this point). I just think that is too small. I will use the rules and bases with my current large ships but that's just me. Like I said I will be buying both when they come available – there just to fantastic looking not to but I will continue to use my ships for game play.