according to wookiepedia, the length of an hwk is 29 meters:
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/HWK-290

if that is the case, the model would be closer to the length of the falcon.
however, that measurement can easily be wrong.
using this image, we can see how wide the walkway is compared to kyle's height.

http://www.jediknight.net/trail/images/15_wk_11.jpg

from this, it looks like the length of the moldy crow is approximately 6~8 times the width of the walkway. if we use kyle's stated height as 1.8 meters ( http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Kyle_Katarn

), and bs the math to say that the walkway is about 2 meters wide (honestly didn't pull out a protractor and use trig to find the right width), that puts the modly crow at anywhere from 12~16 meters.
that is well short of the stated 29 meters on wookiepedia, but does put the hwk 290 much closer to scale.

congrats ff!

Common concern. The Wookieepedia article cites the WOTC role-playing supplement that called the Moldy Crow a light freighter and greatly expanded it's size to the 29 meters. When FFG announced the HWK-290 they said from the get go that they went straight to Lucasfilm Licensing (LFL) and the Dark Forces games and concluded that the Crow is actually about 16.5 meters long. This is the now-canon length of the HWK. Despite Wookieepedia's relentless campaign against those that edit the Moldy Crow article.

Wookiepedia seriously needs to be cleaned up. I kind of hope that the ffg roleplay can be used to provide the correct info on technical aspects of ships and such. It would be nice if they could basically rewrite all the info that West End Games distributed so that its actually correct.

Is also grey, not brown, according to that screenshot

you know what sucks?

i played star wars the rpg from West End Games, and must of the data in that rpg is now being bashed, i feel like i was living a lie!!!!!!

I thought someone did "correct" the Wookieepedia entry but if anyone can "fix" it and sources disagree there are going to be conflicts.

Now I know WEG didn't get everything "right" but you should remember that they really didn't have a lot to work off of at the time. They also created a bit of new material and helped define a lot of various sources to be at least somewhat compatible. Unfortunately, they made mistakes and those have carried on through the year.

Oh that screen shot brings back memories. That level of JK (the falling ship) almost made me sick with how crazy it was.

need to make a better woookiepedia!...or a new one for the game!

you know what sucks?

i played star wars the rpg from West End Games, and must of the data in that rpg is now being bashed, i feel like i was living a lie!!!!!!

I thought someone did "correct" the Wookieepedia entry but if anyone can "fix" it and sources disagree there are going to be conflicts.

Now I know WEG didn't get everything "right" but you should remember that they really didn't have a lot to work off of at the time. They also created a bit of new material and helped define a lot of various sources to be at least somewhat compatible. Unfortunately, they made mistakes and those have carried on through the year.

Oh that screen shot brings back memories. That level of JK (the falling ship) almost made me sick with how crazy it was.

All due respect to WEG, the original source material should be the last word regarding its own intellectual property. I've played the Dark Forces games a number of times and I can confirm that 16m is accurate enough.

one of my favorite characters, i was allowed to play a droid tie fighter. my cpu was detachable and inserted into an R2 unit while not in flight. thats what i love about playing rpg's, you are only limited to YOUR imagination, not some game code writer. i will never totally go over to PC or council games until they are able to incorperate such inginuity, and i doubt that will happen in my life time.

its a sad thing to me when kids pick video games over games like this. yes there is a set of rules to follow, but you are not bound to them 100% you mold things as you wish and that is what is limiting our kids imaginations now a days. they are to content in playing in someone elses version of a fantasy rather than making there own

now that being said, i am really looking forward to the tie droid star fighter for this game.

there is a guy in europe who made one for this game, he has made a bunch of EU ships for this game, im thinking he did it on a 3D printer, but they look cool. but im not willing to pay $30+ to get one.

now that being said, i am really looking forward to the tie droid star fighter for this game.

there is a guy in europe who made one for this game, he has made a bunch of EU ships for this game, im thinking he did it on a 3D printer, but they look cool. but im not willing to pay $30+ to get one.

I've seen his stuff and it is nice. I"m not all that interested in unofficial ships for the game yet (still having too much fun experimenting with the official ones). But I'd absolutely buy a Ghtroc freighter model from him if he'd do one of those, just for use with the RPG.

Jim

You can dig up the cutscenes from Dark Forces on Youtube, and there are a few that have the HWK in positions where you can get a good feel for the size - there's one with it docked on the spar of a Nebulon B, and another with it on the ground and a few people standing next to it. It's definitely not Falcon-sized. The scaling FFG came up with for it seems pretty close.

You can dig up the cutscenes from Dark Forces on Youtube, and there are a few that have the HWK in positions where you can get a good feel for the size - there's one with it docked on the spar of a Nebulon B, and another with it on the ground and a few people standing next to it. It's definitely not Falcon-sized. The scaling FFG came up with for it seems pretty close.

FFG didn't "come up with" the scaling. Lucas Film did. FFG got direction direction directly from LFL. They were super clear about this on the May 4th event. According to the keepers of the fiction (canon), the HWK-290 is 16.5 M long. Other sources are "wrong". It's all fiction in the end, but the authoritative source is the source FFG used.

You can dig up the cutscenes from Dark Forces on Youtube, and there are a few that have the HWK in positions where you can get a good feel for the size - there's one with it docked on the spar of a Nebulon B, and another with it on the ground and a few people standing next to it. It's definitely not Falcon-sized. The scaling FFG came up with for it seems pretty close.

FFG didn't "come up with" the scaling. Lucas Film did. FFG got direction direction directly from LFL. They were super clear about this on the May 4th event. According to the keepers of the fiction (canon), the HWK-290 is 16.5 M long. Other sources are "wrong". It's all fiction in the end, but the authoritative source is the source FFG used.

Sorry, I think you took that particular phrasing worse than I intended.

Didn't mean to say FFG pulled the number out of their butts, or did so in isolation. I just meant to say that what they produced looks accurate based on the only actual original source material available to us, which is the Dark Forces cutscenes.

The scale was thought up by a really crappy writer. 29m is not at all the canon length.

The Dark Forces (II) Cutscenes are the most reliable source of info... And they place the crow at pretty small, compared to the, "Canon" length.

This has annoyed me for years, and no matter what FFG does, they will always have my thanks for correcting this grievous error.

Have to say that despite playing the roleplaying game for years and having a lot of respect for it, West End Games and Wizards of the Coast got a *lot* of things wrong:

They said Executor was five miles long when it was originally supposed to be 12.

They said AT-ATs were fifteen meters tall when they are more like twenty.

They said the round features on either side of the Millennium Falcon were escape pods when they were intended to be docking apertures.

They said that the CR-90 had six turbolasers when it really had two and four light lasers.

They said the Imperial Star Destroyer had sixty turbolasers when it ostensibly has many, MANY more.

They had a deckplan for the YT-2400 (Outrider) with no means of entering or exiting the ship.

They said there were corridors and rooms in the edge of the Millennium Falcon's saucer, when it's only about two feet in thickness.

They also said that there are large cargo rooms in the engine area of the Falcon when that area is obviously all engine systems.

So I'm more inclined to trust FFG's figure than old roleplaying game material. Besides that, I've done extensive research for a cutaway painting, and there's a heck of a lot of evidence that this ship is only about ~15 meters long. 16.5 seems to coincide with that just fine.

its a sad thing to me when kids pick video games over games like this.

But that's not the case at all. This is about going back to the first-tier source rather than trusting a secondary source. It's done all the time in serious research endeavors, and logically it's the best method for figuring out the true size of the Moldy Crow. I highly respect FFG for going to the original source rather than trusting what some game maker says who was too lazy or too busy to do actual research. Most of the RPG material was created based on "feel" rather than going to the source, which annoyed me to no end. There was no excuse for it back then, and there's no excuse for it now.

its a sad thing to me when kids pick video games over games like this.

But that's not the case at all. This is about going back to the first-tier source rather than trusting a secondary source. It's done all the time in serious research endeavors, and logically it's the best method for figuring out the true size of the Moldy Crow. I highly respect FFG for going to the original source rather than trusting what some game maker says who was too lazy or too busy to do actual research. Most of the RPG material was created based on "feel" rather than going to the source, which annoyed me to no end. There was no excuse for it back then, and there's no excuse for it now.

Pretty much that exactly. I had endless arguments with the mods of the Moldy Crow Page over size. There's sourcing things, and then there's ignoring the best possible sources.

See, I used to reside at Resin Illuminati, and let me tell you. At least three guys in my short time made HWK-290 models.

And all of them oversized them! Stefan Hacker? Amazing, so accurate... But oversized. Last Battlestar's custom? Gorgeous. but oversized. And then the other guy, still somewhat oversized.

All thanks to that damnable article's poor citation. I have a passionate hate for WoTC's laziness in that crap. It's lazy crap like that, that makes things that could have been utterly perfect, suddenly not so.

Hopefully, FFG's HWK-290 will finally set the record straight for good, and William C. Deitz/WoTC's laziness can finally be put to rest.

And I tell you, Deitz ruins everything he touches. Halo novel he wrote was sucky, and the Mass Effect one he wrote was actually so bad, that they had to recall the books themselves, because there were so many errors.

It is carelessness like that, that earns my ire. And I will always respect FFG for doing this right.

Cannon is always really hard to get right when you are making source material for RPG books. I'm not surprised a lot of things got made up. FFG seems to have done a decent job getting scales right, to be honest.

I see no reason why they couldn't do what FFG did: call up Lucasfilm, or heck call up the modelers at ILM and Lucasarts and get the hard numbers directly from the source.

But that's neither here nor there. FFG is doing it right, and I'm so glad we finally have a game company that cares enough about Star Wars to try this hard to get their information correct.