Adding Cards From Discard Pile

By Warderbrad, in UFS Rules Q & A

I was reading over the rules and something that we do here locally, and that I have been told is required, is to show the card you add to your hand from the discard pile to your opponent. The rule that was told to me was that the discard pile is open to both players and so you have to show it. I read the section that was referred to and realized it says that your opponent is able to see the contents of your discard at any time. So I can see letting them see what is there before you draw, then after. The only reason I can see to show the card would be if the effect that let you pull from the discard pile specified a card type, but then you should only have to show enough to ensure you piked up an appropriate card. Is there a section of the rules that I am not understanding or reading?

Warderbrad said:

I was reading over the rules and something that we do here locally, and that I have been told is required, is to show the card you add to your hand from the discard pile to your opponent. The rule that was told to me was that the discard pile is open to both players and so you have to show it. I read the section that was referred to and realized it says that your opponent is able to see the contents of your discard at any time. So I can see letting them see what is there before you draw, then after. The only reason I can see to show the card would be if the effect that let you pull from the discard pile specified a card type, but then you should only have to show enough to ensure you piked up an appropriate card. Is there a section of the rules that I am not understanding or reading?

It is an implyed rule from what i can tell though i may actually be written somewhere, not sure off hand. Technically speaking a player can look at your discard before you get a card and look at it after and use process of elimination to determine what you drew anyways.

It's for flow of the game.

As you stated, your opponent could look at the discard pile before you choose the card, and then after, and deduce what card you picked up.

Forcing players to do that would waste too much time.

Simply, when a card moves from a public area, to a non public area, it must be shown.

even if it just tells you to pick any card from your discard? Personally i dont memorize my opponents discard or momemtum (which is probably quite bad). Shouldnt they beable to pick up a card and not show it to me? At our tourneys, we only show if it is a specific card type written on the effect.

Hayamachop said:

even if it just tells you to pick any card from your discard? Personally i dont memorize my opponents discard or momemtum (which is probably quite bad). Shouldnt they beable to pick up a card and not show it to me? At our tourneys, we only show if it is a specific card type written on the effect.

No, they have to show it to you. Just because YOU don't like to keep track of the game, doesn't mean other people don't.

You bet I for one would double check my opponent's discard pile almost incessantly if this was the case. It would waste an unbelievable amount of time.

Where is it detailed that you have to show the card in case I run into a situation that I have to back up that ruling?

Warderbrad said:

Where is it detailed that you have to show the card in case I run into a situation that I have to back up that ruling?

from the Tournament Rules - Zones of Play

202.9 Any card that’s discarded or destroyed is put on top of its owner’s discard pile. Each player’s discard pile starts out empty. Each discard pile is kept in a single face-up pile. A player can examine the cards in any discard pile at any time but can’t change their order. If an effect puts two or more cards into the same discard pile at the same time, the owner of those cards may arrange them in any order.

To add to what everyone wrote above, there is no rule that explicitly states that you must show them, but unless you want to drag the game to a halt with your opponent constantly recording every card that hits your pile to make sure they know what leaves, just show your opponent the card.

Think of it this way, since the discard is public knowledge, if you don't want to show them what you draw, then they have the right to write down what cards in your discard and in what order before you draw the card, then go through your discard to find out exactly which card you took, and to make sure you only took one card. Forcing your opponent to do this would count as stalling on your part (at least in any tourney I was judging).

aslum said:

Think of it this way, since the discard is public knowledge, if you don't want to show them what you draw, then they have the right to write down what cards in your discard and in what order before you draw the card, then go through your discard to find out exactly which card you took, and to make sure you only took one card. Forcing your opponent to do this would count as stalling on your part (at least in any tourney I was judging).

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