Except that they have already spoke about Uber Talents in the splat books that replace the standard talents in that last row.

Oh, they have? I missed that. Do you have a link?

-EF

It was mentioned on the Order 66 podcast if I remember correctly. Episode 14/15. http://start.d20radio.com/home/the-order-66-podcast

But I never listen to the Order 66 Podcast…it's not my fault!

-EF

Except that they have already spoke about Uber Talents in the splat books that replace the standard talents in that last row.

Oh, they have? I missed that. Do you have a link?

-EF

It was mentioned on the Order 66 podcast if I remember correctly. Episode 14/15. http://start.d20radio.com/home/the-order-66-podcast

But I never listen to the Order 66 Podcast…it's not my fault!

-EF

Heh, nobody does.

I haven't listened either. Do the uber talents replace existing ones or add a new row to the bottom of the spec trees?

I haven't listened either. Do the uber talents replace existing ones or add a new row to the bottom of the spec trees?

No one listens. We'll never know

I haven't listened either. Do the uber talents replace existing ones or add a new row to the bottom of the spec trees?

From the little bit that has been said, they are going to replace existing ones in that row.

I'm really glad to see these available (and let's not kid ourselves, they're for players to buy - if they want them... that's why they're POD).

And on that note, it's so nice to see FFG doing POD stuff! That opens up a whole can o' worms of optional products...

FFG have been doing PoD stuff for years (see Warhammer Fantasy RP 2nd edition).

Sorry, I meant for Star Wars.

If the decks would come with a small miniature (like the Descent ones just announced), it would be way cooler.

I'm just kinda amazed how strong this thread continues to trudge on when there's a whole subforum and thread dedicated to this subject elsewhere...

I'm just kinda amazed how strong this thread continues to trudge on when there's a whole subforum and thread dedicated to this subject elsewhere...

Links, or it didn't happen! Oh, wait, that's "pics." My bad

-EF

I'm just kinda amazed how strong this thread continues to trudge on when there's a whole subforum and thread dedicated to this subject elsewhere...

Well, shazbot. Didn't even see that.

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I'm just kinda amazed how strong this thread continues to trudge on when there's a whole subforum and thread dedicated to this subject elsewhere...

Well, shazbot. Didn't even see that.

Don't feel bad, I didn't either. If you wait long enough on the Internet, someone will come along to tell you that you're doing it wrong Guess I'll trudge over there.

Keeop, you're still doing it wrong...

I haven't listened either. Do the uber talents replace existing ones or add a new row to the bottom of the spec trees?

From the little bit that has been said, they are going to replace existing ones in that row.

I heard that as the new book ADDS talents to the bottom of the threes, possibly even adding several more rows.

Why would they release a core book and a couple months later release a splat book making something in the core book obsolete?

I haven't listened either. Do the uber talents replace existing ones or add a new row to the bottom of the spec trees?

From the little bit that has been said, they are going to replace existing ones in that row.

I heard that as the new book ADDS talents to the bottom of the threes, possibly even adding several more rows.

Why would they release a core book and a couple months later release a splat book making something in the core book obsolete?

From the post:

"Signature abilities add new talents to the bottom of one of the character’s existing talent trees, granting further advancement deeper into that character’s area of expertise."

You are right. They add talents.

I'm extremely excited about this product.

It's not easy for every player to keep track of which Talents they have and exactly how they work. It's very intuitive to hold a deck of cards and see at a glance what you can do, and how to do it.

It's not easy to write something down on a piece of paper? A piece of paper that already has all the other information you use? How is reading a character sheet (something you've probably been doing for a while now) less intuitive than keeping loose cards with you that you must keep separate from the rest of the deck, and keeping all of that stored with your character sheet? You know, the thing you have that stores all of the info about your character?

A few thoughts:

1. These could be useful if you are only a player and just have your sheet and a notebook. Or if you are a GM who wants to lay everything out in front of you.

So, that sheet and that notebook aren't much better places to keep track of this info?

For the record I'm not part of the "Anti-Card Brigade". I love card products for RPGs. I'm also not angry about FFGs decision. I was exited about these cards until I read what they actually are. A company trying different things is also great, and POD has made that a lot easier.

What I'm looking for is one example of how these cards in particular do not make the job of seeing the relationship between talents in a spec or tracking a character's talents harder than if you just used the chart and wrote them down.

Vehicle and Adversary cards would be awesome, because those things come and go as you play. That's the perfect job for a card. Talents are something your character gets permanently. He may have multiple trees from multiple careers. You may have multiple players with overlapping specs.

Anyhow if you can come up with a single way that this product does what it says in its description, let me know.

I'm extremely excited about this product.

It's not easy for every player to keep track of which Talents they have and exactly how they work. It's very intuitive to hold a deck of cards and see at a glance what you can do, and how to do it.

It's not easy to write something down on a piece of paper? A piece of paper that already has all the other information you use? How is reading a character sheet (something you've probably been doing for a while now) less intuitive than keeping loose cards with you that you must keep separate from the rest of the deck, and keeping all of that stored with your character sheet? You know, the thing you have that stores all of the info about your character?

A few thoughts:

1. These could be useful if you are only a player and just have your sheet and a notebook. Or if you are a GM who wants to lay everything out in front of you.

Anyhow if you can come up with a single way that this product does what it says in its description, let me know.

This is a non-issue. The data is either written on your character sheet in front of your face, or it's printed on a card in front of your face.

Common denominator = Your face.

Regardless of how useful these specific cards are, I hope they either sell enough to continue making products like them.

There is a lot of potential here, and I don't want the whole PoD thing flushed because they opened with the wrong product.

This is a non-issue. The data is either written on your character sheet in front of your face, or it's printed on a card in front of your face.

Common denominator = Your face.

So you admit that they have no additional benefit, then? Okay, cool --because for a minute there, I thought I was going crazy.

So now all you have to do is somehow rationalize how this preserves the talent hierarchy and explain where you're going to store the loose cards, and presto! --the product is now as good as "doing it the old fashioned way".

Hey man, it really is a non-issue. I hope they sell like gangbusters! And it's one of the great benefits of POD products. They don't have to be something useful. If you just like cards with pictures on 'em, that's cool. I've got a lot of things here that I like but really don't have much of a use for. I just thought they were "neat".

But playing the high-handed here come those crazy card haters angle when a lot of people are clearly expressing disinterest or bewilderment over a product that doesn't actually do anything is a little disingenuous, no?

So, yeah. Still waiting for that single example.

When I saw the banner ad for the cards come up, I was psyched. Ready to buy a complete set-until I read the description. From what I can tell, they look great, too. And seven bucks is fine. It'd just be nice if there was a benefit to using them. I think something could've been cooked up, yes?

This is a non-issue. The data is either written on your character sheet in front of your face, or it's printed on a card in front of your face.

Common denominator = Your face.

But playing the high-handed here come those crazy card haters angle when a lot of people are clearly expressing disinterest or bewilderment over a product that doesn't actually do anything is a little disingenuous, no?

* you're absolutely right about the cards. there you go.

my apologies to the community. the inside card jokes are four to five years old at this point and I incorrectly assumed that most of the folks here were in on the deal, lots of old dogs here. this is obviously not the case, as witnessed above. it is, in fact...serious business. i'm adjusting ignore lists accordingly and will use a little more lot more caution with any future ribbing, especially with brand new members. my bad. cheers.

I'm extremely excited about this product.

It's not easy for every player to keep track of which Talents they have and exactly how they work. It's very intuitive to hold a deck of cards and see at a glance what you can do, and how to do it.

It's not easy to write something down on a piece of paper? A piece of paper that already has all the other information you use? How is reading a character sheet (something you've probably been doing for a while now) less intuitive than keeping loose cards with you that you must keep separate from the rest of the deck, and keeping all of that stored with your character sheet? You know, the thing you have that stores all of the info about your character?

If you don't want to use it, that's fine. I'm sure there are people out there who want to. I'm don't think it requires this level of aggression though. Its pretty simple to say "I'm not sure how I'd make use of this product, can someone explain if this does something I'm missing?" These are some of the most pleasant and good natured boards I've been a part of. I'd like to see it remain that way.

I will tell you why I think the cards could add value.

1) it has the full text of the talent instead of the abbreviated text on the trees (this is an assumption on my part)

2) the cards can be organized in front of you during play in anyway you want

3) the art looks cool

But if you don't agree with these points then I guess the product isn't for you.

2) the cards can be organized in front of you during play in anyway you want

If you prefer not to use scratch paper (limit of space, inclination to hug trees) when you've used a "once per encounter" talent just flip it upside down to help you visualize what tricks you still have in your bag. I know this will be useful for some people, just not me.

2) the cards can be organized in front of you during play in anyway you want

If you prefer not to use scratch paper (limit of space, inclination to hug trees) when you've used a "once per encounter" talent just flip it upside down to help you visualize what tricks you still have in your bag. I know this will be useful for some people, just not me.

Yeah that can be done. Also if you are in combat layout the talents that may be useful in combat and put the other aside.