Seems that the general guideline for scenarios like this is that when multiple effects are triggered at the same time the active player chooses the order of resolution (excepting 'immediate' effects). After each effect is resolved the game state is updated before the next effect is resolved, which can potentially invalidate effects that were triggered before the game state shift.

As others have said, that approach works with the Swarm Tactics ruling, Adrenaline Rush and Fettigator. It may be counter-intuitive for some of us but at least we now have a consistent body of precedent that may help with future issues.

This isn't what James said about the AR issue though. He specifically said that AR keeps the maneuver from ever being red at all - there's no timing resolution question between the multiple effects, because the other effect simply never triggers.

I honestly have no idea how to deal with that timing wise, so I'm just sorta rolling with it as an exception for now. There are too many possible things it MIGHT mean, and we just don't have enough guidance to determine which it is.

It appears FFG have left out a rather important rule for the game. Timing.

If it was specifily spelled out we wouldn't get 12 page 'dicussions' about it.

An update to the rules errata to cover general card timing would be more eficient than them updating a FAQ of inidividual timing events of specific cards.

I don't know about the "right" answer, but it seems as though we've got the definitive one - for now. Grats to you guys.

FFG are the ones who get to decide right and wrong. I consider "right" to be "How we should play it". Ideally, "right" should mean "Consistent with the rules as printed". But not always, and it's up to FFG to decide what's right for it.

I agree, "right" should mean consistent with the rules. That's not the case as far as I'm concerned, but if FFG has made up their mind on the matter, then I feel the point is moot.

Once again, I hope that their reluctance is issue more FAQs and rulings is because they are instead working on releasing a revised ruleset, from page one. That would be a far better investment of time and effort.

Ahhhh, so nice that this came to an end, and not "only" because the decision was in favor with the majority opinion.

I feel somewhat relieved to see common sense prevail over alleged "superior knowledge of English language" or something. Normally I am the kind of guy that will just pass the salt and not automatically the pepper too when someone asks me to "Could you please pass the salt?" so I can be quite anal about stuff, don't get me wrong, but just like the futile debate on "Daredevil" and if it caused stress or not (prior to the latest FAQ) this just became silly from the start.

Hey WW, tell me... how do you like them apples?