Well, I know it is early but since we know that on Morgul Vale we will get a Theoden hero who boosts Tactics willpower, do you believe that it could make Tactics more playable as a solo deck?

No. But I do believen it can make a difference in a multi-player game, where alot of tactics heroes present.

Well, I know it is early but since we know that on Morgul Vale we will get a Theoden hero who boosts Tactics willpower, do you believe that it could make Tactics more playable as a solo deck?

not in the slightest. it adds a grand total of 3 WP - this is puny. additionally, most tactics heroes starting base WP is 0 or 1 WP - so adding 3 really doesn't do much. and let's not forget the allies aren't adding much WP either! pretty crummy. on top of that, most tactics heroes have abilities that revolve around attacking or defending - something they can't do in a solo mono-tactics deck if they are questing, so their abilities become worthless.

all in all, theoden (at this point) seems very disappointing.

but, if you included the highest WP heroes, like Gimili (2), Brand (2) and Theoden (2) and regularly quest with them - that's at total 6 WP - 9 with Theoden's ability. Only a few Eagles, Beorn, the Beekeepr, or Bofur would be adding anymore WP (and they are all pricey). Leaving it to your allies to do all of the attacking and defending - which is a tall order, I think.

as much as I love tactics, WP questing just isn't for them.

You seem to be right Dain. I also like tactics but do not use them a lot. Maybe we have to wait for the other cards, but reading your post you are correct for the time being

Trained for War and Hama for more Trained for War

i use tactics a lot since starting to play multihanded, however theoden's boost wont have much place in my decks as i use tactics as a support deck with a questing deck. i guess the boost may come in handy in the first round but usually my decks dont function that way

what i am looking forward to is the horse

rich

Of course it does. I already proxied him when they revelealed Theoden, and won against JdtA more often than I lost. And that was before Trained for War and that exellent Book of Eldacar. The WP bonus helps a ot during the early turns until you can play your allies.

If you had a mono-tactics deck with Thalin/Theoden/someone else, you could use the new mount to have Thalin and Theoden quest and then ready Theoden, that would prove some solid willpower and direct damage. I think that mainly we have to just appreciate Theoden's boost for himself and see any other boost as a bonus.

Mono-Tactics can already function ok solo so long as you are recycling Trained for War everyturn with Hama as previously mentioned. I have a deck right now thats working ok in that regard using Hama, Beregond, and Boromir (tactics)...but onto Theoden...

I think Theoden would work quite well with the original Boromir. Questing for 5 from the start is a respectable number. The main problem with that however is that between the two heroes you already have a starting threat of 23 so whomever you select as your 3rd hero, you will still have a decently high starting threat...not ideal with Boromir's ability as you would likely hit 50 a lot of games

Now that i say that tho, if you were to use Theoden, original Boromir, and Spirit Glorfindel, you would have an OK starting threat of 28, access to all the spirit threat lowering cards, able to quest out the gate with 8, and access to Theoden's mount to ready him after questing.

All your characters would have multiple action potentials per turn, you can even run the now subdued imaldris stargazer/zigil miner combo to ensure you have resources for the mount and even Gondorian Fire for Boromir....i like this the more i think about it

Theoden and two 2WP heroes (choose between Gimli, Elladan, Brand and Bard) is a total of 9 WP. I'd say that makes a very good starting WP and makes things easier for Tactics. Remember that Spirit has a maximum of 9WP too (Eowyn, Glorfindel and one 2WP hero). Both Leadership and Lore's maximum starting WP is 7.

Anyway, the problem of Tactics with the WP is the lack of cheap allies with 1WP: the only Ally with Willpower for a cost less than 4 is Bofur, and is Unique. This makes Pelargir Envoy a must for Tactics monosphere decks.

Theoden and two 2WP heroes (choose between Gimli, Elladan, Brand and Bard) is a total of 9 WP. I'd say that makes a very good starting WP and makes things easier for Tactics. Remember that Spirit has a maximum of 9WP too (Eowyn, Glorfindel and one 2WP hero). Both Leadership and Lore's maximum starting WP is 7.

Anyway, the problem of Tactics with the WP is the lack of cheap allies with 1WP: the only Ally with Willpower for a cost less than 4 is Bofur, and is Unique. This makes Pelargir Envoy a must for Tactics monosphere decks.

Also as previously mentioned if you're questing with all your heroes, then your allies need to do all the attacking and defending. Which tactics is certainly able to, but considering the best options right now for both are the Knight of Minas Tirith and the Defender of Rammas, it can take time to set up. Being lucky enough to get them in your starting hand and you'll still have to wait till turn 2 to get them both out

I think Theoden will see best use likely splashed with other spheres. Just contributing 3 WP or 3 ATK can be quite useful to either spirit or lore; the former of which already has some thematic Rohan synergies as well

I think you could make Theoden/Thalin/Beregond work. Between Thalin and Beregond defending (with spear), you don't really need anyone to attack. Or, if you are counting on allies and the occasional Theoden attack to do damage, you could swap out Thalin for Merry and get a 6 threat 3 willpower questor.

I think you could make Theoden/Thalin/Beregond work. Between Thalin and Beregond defending (with spear), you don't really need anyone to attack. Or, if you are counting on allies and the occasional Theoden attack to do damage, you could swap out Thalin for Merry and get a 6 threat 3 willpower questor.

hmmm maybe so.....

I think that there just might be a cool attachment for Theoden that could possibly help make a mono tactics deck work. I think ffg is trying to make a solo mono tactics deck work since they gave us trained for war, theoden and possibly more in the upcoming packs.

I think you could make Theoden/Thalin/Beregond work. Between Thalin and Beregond defending (with spear), you don't really need anyone to attack. Or, if you are counting on allies and the occasional Theoden attack to do damage, you could swap out Thalin for Merry and get a 6 threat 3 willpower questor.

hmmm maybe so.....

I think that there just might be a cool attachment for Theoden that could possibly help make a mono tactics deck work. I think ffg is trying to make a solo mono tactics deck work since they gave us trained for war, theoden and possibly more in the upcoming packs.

except, theoden and trained for war don't exactly mesh well together...

they dont have to. As we all know, tactics already has lots of attack so you could do a little normal questing cuz of theoden and then do some of your plenty attack questing with trained for war

I think Theoden was designed not to be used in all quests or in all mono tactics decks. He'll be great in some of the early quests and some Dwarrodelf quests I think especially in early game.

Theodred is amazing for 3-4 player game where 2 player use tactic.

Bring this up since it is the next AP (for which we have no other clue except Theoden himself and the Rohan Horse)

In the past few weeks I try to play starting from the first core set, all the adventures solo with a mono-tactics deck. So far I have managed to win the two core set (lost Dol Guldur) and the first two of the mirkwood cycle. Also won the massing at Osgiliath which I tried just for fun. I have not tried any more since time is not enough but I plan to try each one a couple of games. (I have also won all the Heirs of Numenor deluxe quests with the same deck)

My Heroes are always the same, Hama, Beregond and Legolas, as is also my deck (4 pieces of Gandalf)

What I noticed is that the ones I won where the ones that either I had Radagast and a couple of misty mountain eagles early in the game , or the ones I had the event card that made the quest battle and recycling it with Hama all the time.

I tend to believe that most quests (certainly not all of them) could be playable with Theoden and a mono tactics deck after all. I also hope that apart from theoden, there will be in the Morgul Vale AP other tactic cards that might help this way

My Heroes are always the same, Hama, Beregond and Legolas, as is also my deck (4 pieces of Gandalf)

thats a good line up - but do you mean you have 4 gandalfs in your deck?

Now that i say that tho, if you were to use Theoden, original Boromir, and Spirit Glorfindel, you would have an OK starting threat of 28, access to all the spirit threat lowering cards, able to quest out the gate with 8, and access to Theoden's mount to ready him after questing.

All your characters would have multiple action potentials per turn, you can even run the now subdued imaldris stargazer/zigil miner combo to ensure you have resources for the mount and even Gondorian Fire for Boromir....i like this the more i think about it

For solo play this is what i have concluded as well. In a mono-tactics solo deck Theoden would only be able to quest. He will need the mount card to get any more use out of him. so a spirit hero will be necessary unfortunately. And of course there is always Sp Glorfindel to fill the void.

With these heroes you could quest with them for 8 wp. If LoV is on Glorfindel and Theoden has a mount they will be ready to attack. Boromir with Gondorian shield will probably be your main defender. If all 3 go in on the attack they will be swinging for 9.

Seems pretty solid all the way around with out thinking about the other player cards. However, the theme of all this is not fitting.

But what other sprit option would work. With Eowyn starting threat is 32, Eleanor 30. These are a bit high for my taste.

The mount being spirit, really limits the solo players deck building options for Mono- tactics, which really needs access to a hero readying cards. Why could the mount not have been a tactics warhorse or something like that. Hopefully, there will be a tactics card that allows Theoden to search the players deck for a mount and attach it to a hero.

Theodred is amazing for 3-4 player game where 2 player use tactic.

I'm excited to try four-player mono-tactic with Théoden. That's 12 WP being added to the table!

My Heroes are always the same, Hama, Beregond and Legolas, as is also my deck (4 pieces of Gandalf)

thats a good line up - but do you mean you have 4 gandalfs in your deck?

yes, I include all copies of hm from the core set, but to be honest, I rarelly use more than two in game cause of the 5 cost

im afraid you can only use 3 copies of any card (by title) in a deck .

rich

Theodred is amazing for 3-4 player game where 2 player use tactic.

So Theoden in multiplayer is a diamond - thanks Astonishing speed can have 5 willpower, thanks to him and Mutual Accord + Astonishing speed Beregond can gain 3 willpower.

additional cards such as: We Do Not Sleep, Eomund, Steed Of The Mark can easily prepare them for attack / defense.

im afraid you can only use 3 copies of any card (by title) in a deck .

rich