Ok folks so everyone talks about how the movement dials on the Wave 3 ships are going to make of break them, so what does everyone think the movement dials will look like?

Bomber

I expect more or less the same as the advanced with a green 1 forward instead of a white 5 forward, the 3 forward to be white, and the 4 forward to be red. So:

4- Forward and Koiogran (both red)

3- Turn, Bank, and Forward (all white)

2- Turn and Bank (both white), and forward (green)

1- Bank and Forward (both green)

Shuttle

There are a lot of people that are saying if it doesn't have an awful dial it will be broken but I guess we will see. I think if it doesn't have enough greens then Captains Yorr's ability will be pointless but there are a couple people who've suggested it won't have a koiogran so I think that might be a compromise. My guess is:

5- Forward (red)

4- Forward (red)

3- Turn (red), Bank and Forward (white)

2- Turn and Bank (white), Forward (Green)

1- Bank and Forward (Green)

B-wing

I think this one is a tough call. Looking at other ships I think that it could be one of two possibilities, either something similar to the falcon or something similar to the y-wing. So here are two different guesses:

What I hope

4- Forward and Koiogran (red)

3- Bank and Forward (white)

2- Turn and Bank (white), Forward (green)

1- Turn (white), Bank and Forward (green)

What I expect

Hwk-290

Ok so the HWK seems doesn't give a lot of indications for how it might fly in my opinion, I am just going to make this one simple and guess that it will have all of the same manoeuvres as the x-wing.

Anyway this is all just baseless speculation and I completely expect to be wrong but I would really like to know what other people expect the dials to be and I thought I would offer some suggestions to get the ball rolling.

5 forward on the shuttle is a bit much. These are not combat ships. Their primary purpose it to shuttle cargo/people from point A to point B in style. My guess is that it will be much closer to the Y-wing.

Somewhere, there is a link to a program so you can make your own official looking dials. I would post what my ideas of the dials will be, but I don't have the link and visuals are so much more appealing than typing them out.

Somewhere, there is a link to a program so you can make your own official looking dials. I would post what my ideas of the dials will be, but I don't have the link and visuals are so much more appealing than typing them out.

I think you are looking for this: http://home.comcast.net/~jason.fuller/dials.html

One of the ffg previews stated that the shuttle has the most restrictive dial in the game. If that's true it should be worse than a y-wing dial, but given the high stats and low points cost of the ship, how much worse is the million credit question...

I don't expect any radical suprises with the other 3 dials, x-wing to yt1300 kind of stuff. I shouldn't think the b-wing will be too bad, it's already been penalized for maneuverability in it's limted evade dice (sorry, die).

Somewhere, there is a link to a program so you can make your own official looking dials. I would post what my ideas of the dials will be, but I don't have the link and visuals are so much more appealing than typing them out.

I think you are looking for this: http://home.comcast.net/~jason.fuller/dials.html

That's it. Thanks.

Nice overall, but there's no way the b-wing should be less maneuverable than a y-wing. They may both be designed for the same role, but don't forget that the b-wing is over twenty years more advanced, with state of the art avionics and a fancy spinning cockpit!

The B-Wing is slower than the Y-Wing, but has better slow speed maneuverability, hence the white 1 turn maneuvers. The faster it goes, the more ungainly it becomes. Remember, these things weren't supposed to replace X-Wings which is why they have crap for higher speed maneuvers.

Nice overall, but there's no way the b-wing should be less maneuverable than a y-wing. They may both be designed for the same role, but don't forget that the b-wing is over twenty years more advanced, with state of the art avionics and a fancy spinning cockpit!

The B-wings systems are mostly dedicated to targeting and the fancy spinning cockpit, while allowing it to pull off some very fancy tricks, is incredibly tempermental and prone to locking up and hard turns would strain the structure. Personally I'd give it a 3 hard turn as well but make all hard turns red.

According to Wookiepedia the B-wing never complelty replaced the Y-wing even after most of the kinks were ironed out. Keep in mind that the Y-wing may be older but it also wasn't designed as a bomber, it's a converted fighter. The B-wing was made from the ground to put a hurting on things bigger than it.

I think the y-wing was designed as a bomber, that's how it appeared to be used in the clone wars cartoon, with v19 and z95 fighters supporting it. The rebel alliance used it as it as a multi- purpose fighter because it was incredibly rugged and easy to work on, but suffered in combat with tie fighters until the x-wing came along.

I always understood the b-wing to be the hi-tech replacement for the y, that never caught on as well as intended due to maintenance and cost issues rather than performance.

It shouldn't be as maneuverable as an x-wing, but better than a y-wing. Not sure where the idea that b-wings are slower than wishbones came from, that's not how it was in the computer games or wookipedia.

Where's that from? Is it a Lucasfilm thing? It contradicts a lot of what I know, or thought I knew!

I had Ys at 80, Bs at 90 and Xs and at 100.

Plus; the falcon has a forward 4 and it's shown as the same speed as a b-wing here.

This is the problem with trying to speculate. I don't know where this chart came from, but as an avid reader of the EU books, as far as i can remember Tie Fighters were always at least a little faster as well as more maneuverable than an x-wing (in space at least, atmosphere messes with the wings and therefore maneuverablity of Ties), which was always at least a little faster and more maneuverable then the y-wing. This chart has all three at the same speed and maneuverability. Now iI'm not going to get into a debate about whether this chart, wookiepedia, the EU novels, comics, or quotes from the movies about parsecs are the final source. But i don't think any of us can say definitively which source and therefore info is correct. FFG certainly didn't follow this chart when making the game, because then X's Y's and Ties would all have the same maneuverability, which is far from being the case

As far as I know, that chart was made by the Star Wars ship designer team back in the 70's. I can't verify, but I believe I read it here on these boards.

Its a good point on continuity; all the tech manuals, rpg source books and web discussions won't change the fact that Star Wars isn't real (sadly) and the ship's characteristics are whatever they need to be for that particular story, as decided by the writer.

Lets look at this from a different angle. A generic b-wing costs 4 points more than a generic y-wing. they have the same combined shields and damage, the b-wing has one more attack die and an extra action (barrel roll). If the y-wing is faster or has better maneuvers than the b-wing, then the latter would seem overpriced to me

Lets look at this from a different angle. A generic b-wing costs 4 points more than a generic y-wing. they have the same combined shields and damage, the b-wing has one more attack die and an extra action (barrel roll). If the y-wing is faster or has better maneuvers than the b-wing, then the latter would seem overpriced to me

So...you wouldn't pay 4 points for 1 extra attack die, AND Barrel Roll? True...if the Y-wing is considerably faster/maneuverable it would be quite a gap, but if the B-wing is only a little slower...it's not overpriced.

I expect it to have:

1 Bank and Straight as green

2 Straight as green

1 Hard as white

2 Hard and Bank white

3 Straight as white

3 Bank as red

4 Straight and Koiogan(sp?) as red.

Lets look at this from a different angle. A generic b-wing costs 4 points more than a generic y-wing. they have the same combined shields and damage, the b-wing has one more attack die and an extra action (barrel roll). If the y-wing is faster or has better maneuvers than the b-wing, then the latter would seem overpriced to me

So...you wouldn't pay 4 points for 1 extra attack die, AND Barrel Roll? True...if the Y-wing is considerably faster/maneuverable it would be quite a gap, but if the B-wing is only a little slower...it's not overpriced.

I expect it to have:

1 Bank and Straight as green

2 Straight as green

1 Hard as white

2 Hard and Bank white

3 Straight as white

3 Bank as red

4 Straight and Koiogan(sp?) as red.

This dial would be on the money for me. Its pretty much what I would want for the b-wing to see table time.

I guess I would pay 4 points for an extra attack dice and barrel roll, but I wouldn't want to be overly penialised on my movement dial as well.

Syleh's option seems reasonable, more low speed options and less high speed stuff; different rather than worse. You'll never hear me argue against diversity in the game.

As far as I know, that chart was made by the Star Wars ship designer team back in the 70's. I can't verify, but I believe I read it here on these boards.

You're right, it came out as part of the "behind the scenes" work in the 70s, I used to have the book it appeared in.

Its a good point on continuity; all the tech manuals, rpg source books and web discussions won't change the fact that Star Wars isn't real (sadly) and the ship's characteristics are whatever they need to be for that particular story, as decided by the writer.

Lets look at this from a different angle. A generic b-wing costs 4 points more than a generic y-wing. they have the same combined shields and damage, the b-wing has one more attack die and an extra action (barrel roll). If the y-wing is faster or has better maneuvers than the b-wing, then the latter would seem overpriced to me

Don't forget the B-wing ignores criticals on its first five hits, as opposed to three for the Y-wing. That's another plus.

Won't it be a yuck if the shuttle has no green maneuvers other than the green 1, and can carry more than one stress. Just by the way a couple of the abilities are worded it seems a very high probability to me.

And just so you guys know the ship graph came out in 83ish with Jedi and is an officially referenced speed graph implemented by Lucas. So I give it a lot of credit for the speed ratio for non-hyper speed maneuvers. The wooki has been wrong before look at the size of the Hawk...