My gripe with Tannhauser. ***pointing at the huge pink elephant***

By Pipisongo, in Tannhauser

I have the original game and enjoy it but am not interested in any current expansion. Why? What I want is maps! What good is having an additional army, plus the new heroes that came out if we have only three maps to play on?

Here is the expansion I’d like to see and I suspect I’m not alone:

A new box, same footprint as the original with the following contents:

1. Five double sided game boards (for a total of 10 new maps).

End of list. No instructions, no plastic insert, no tokens, no miniatures, no nothing. Just 5 double sided game boards with the beautiful art we expect.

This game has very often been compared to a video game and I happen to agree. My favorite game is Halo. It that game, as in many other FPS, all the players have the same stats (unlike the Tannhauser characters). What makes for variability are the different weapons (like Tannhauser) and the many maps (unlike Tannhauser).

And all these successful games keep the players coming back for more by periodically releasing new maps. On some occasions they come out with new weapons, but mostly it's just maps.

Why on earth do we keep getting more characters and items to play on the same stinking maps!!! Don’t get my wrong, I’m all for new characters and weapons, but priority no.1 should be maps. Characters and weapons should take a backseat to maps. This is why this game has lost steam and conitues to lose fans. It’s so obvious it’s mindboggling. (I’m at the point where I’m considering getting rid of my copy because I’m not about to pay the hefty price of Novgorod to get a single map.

Note: I’m not into DYI, less than-stellar-art map projects. However if someone from this forum were to offer me a single double-sided board (2 maps), with art of the same quality as the original game and which has been thoroughly playtested, I’d buy it in a heartbeat.
(Business opportunity knocking)

I agree a more maps is needed.

However I think coming out with 10 new maps is a tad bit high, When you think of the time it takes to think of a new map, come up with the art, create a path finding system and play test it so it does not get stale after 1 or 2 games.

2 boards with 4 new maps would be good. still high and would take time but no where near as 10.

Not to mention ToY is a small company with a small amount of revenue and fan base. Wizards and just push a red button and get something new with in days.

So don't expect that pink elephant move any time soon.

And I just got an email back from FFG they are currently play testing the new and better looking out door map, and will contact ToY about it.

Wonder if it will see an "offical" release or what???

Yes. We need more maps. Unfortunately, we the fans can not make and sell them (patented pathfinding system and all). However, we can make them. There are several over at Tannbunker .

You say you are not interested in the new expansions, but they each have a new map. Novgorod and Daedalus both have new maps.

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If resources, etc., were no significant issue (which, of course, they are), I would like to see Tannhauser follow the same route (no pun intended) that Asmodee is following with Formula D (the update of the Formula De race game): what looks like about three double-sided map-only expansions a year. Granted, there's no (strong) need for Asmodee to put out other types of expansions (although some people might like some additional street-race characters), but Formula D is, I think, like Tannhauser in that running around the same old track (or castle, or whatever) can get old.

While maps is an issue, I think the bigger issue really is the slow turnaround time for the translation of the items released by TOY to the release by FFG.

Regardless, my groups interest is waning quickly in playing Tannhauser. There are too many good games out there by FFG and others to wait around on releases to keep the interest up.

So little time, so many games.