Pit Terrain

By Sleepwalker42, in Descent: Journeys in the Dark

So, last night we had a bit of a disagreement on pit terrain. The OL used an Ettin to throw a hero in a pit, taking 3 damage (for the pit and the throw). The wording on getting out of the pit caused debate though. The rule says that when a hero is in a pit the only action he can do is get out of a pit (but oddly it mentions they have line of site outside the pit).

So, the heroes read it like a stun effect, the only think you can do with that effect on is take the effect off.

The OL read it like a stand up action where the only thing you can do on your turn is stand up.

Any thoughts?

The "while in a pit" conditions the fact that the only action the figure can take is to move out of it.

The rule does not say that all other actions are annulated or that the figure's turn ends when he climbs out of the pit.

So, I would understand that, once the figure has managed to climb out of the pit, the "while in the pit" condition does not apply anymore and the figure can accomplish another action (if available).

The Stand up rule (p. 10) is clear about no other possible action and about the turn ending immediately : "and then flips his Activation card facedown to indicate his turn is over (he may not perform an additional action)".

That precision is not given in the pit rule.

You are correct. While occupying a square of pit terrain the only action (while you are on the pit terrain.) is to preform a special action to climb out.
Once they are out, they are no longer limited to that special action, and if climbing out was their first action, they may proceed with their turn as normal.

Edited by SouLx

I agree with the others. As Robin said, the reason that Stand Up ends your turn is because the rules for Stand Up specifically say to flip over your hero card and end your turn as a part of the Stand Up action itself.

Climbing out of a pit does not say that your turn ends as a result of performing this action, so you still have your second action left as normal.

I agree as well. I guess the LOS ruling is there to cover some skill that needs LOS and doesn't require an action (can't think of one other than Challenge off the top of my head, but I'll tell you if I come across it).

There's a funny contradiction when a hero/monster ends up Stunned in a pit; the only action he/she can take is climb out of the pit but the only action he/she can take is to remove the Stunned. It's not something for much of a serious discussion though; whether you rule that one of them takes precedence or you use a time stamp kind of mechanic you end up with the same result.

oddly it mentions they have line of site outside the pit

Not exactly.

p. 18 : "A figure in a pit only has line of sight to adjacent figures , and only adjacent figures have line of sight to a figure in

a pit."

So there is a severe LOS restiction.

Combat is still allowed vs. and from adjacent figures, but not further.

The LoS bit matters more for other figures that might want to target the figure in the pit with something than it does for the figure in the pit himself. Although it is conceivably possible that it might matter to the figure in the pit some day.

Honestly, this is the sort of "just covering all our bases" rule that I'd like to see more of from FFG. It may not matter in the base game, but with the number of expansions they pump out, they really should be writing the rules to cover all cases in the event that something changes in the future.

Combat is still allowed vs. and from adjacent figures.

In the vs. part you mean if there was a way for the figure in the pit to attack without spending an action, right?

Combat is still allowed vs. and from adjacent figures.

In the vs. part you mean if there was a way for the figure in the pit to attack without spending an action, right?

Good point ! :)

Edited by Robin

There's a funny contradiction when a hero/monster ends up Stunned in a pit; the only action he/she can take is climb out of the pit but the only action he/she can take is to remove the Stunned. It's not something for much of a serious discussion though; whether you rule that one of them takes precedence or you use a time stamp kind of mechanic you end up with the same result.

I asked about this the other week, and a condition will trump anything else in terms of "only action available", so it would be resolved as a remove stun, then exit the pit.