ice war

By vorask, in Android: Netrunner Deck Building

Deck isn't finished yet and i come for brainstorming with the community,advice and stuff.
I think i intend to focus the deck on central servers ice denial.

Identity:
Gabriel Santiago: Consummate Professional (Core)


Total Cards: (50)
Event (23)
Easy Mark (Core #19) x3
Emergency Shutdown (Cyber Exodus #43) x3
Forged Activation Orders (Core #20) x3
Inside Job (Core #21) x3
Kraken (Humanity's Shadow #90) x3
Quality Time (Humanity's Shadow #87) x2 ■
Sure Gamble (Core #50) x3
Account Siphon (Core #18) x3

Hardware (4)
Desperado (Core #24) x2
E3 Feedback Implants (Trace Amount #24) x2

Program (18)
Crescentus (A Study in Static #65) x3
Femme Fatale (Core #26) x1
Snitch (Cyber Exodus #45) x2
Sneakdoor Beta (Core #28) x2
Parasite (Core #12) x3 ■■
Corroder (Core #7) x1 ■■
Yog.0 (Core #14) x1 ■
Force of Nature (A Study in Static #62) x1 ■
Ninja (Core #27) x1
Crypsis (Core #51) x1
Snowball (Trace Amount #27) x1 ■■
Datasucker (Core #8) x1 ■

Resource (5)
Crash Space (Core #30) x3
Kati Jones (Humanity's Shadow #91) x2

So let me know what you think even if it's the stupidest idea you've seen in a while.

PS: i would like to edit post name to "Gabe's ice war" but can't find a way sry

Edited by vorask

Too many cards. Stay at the minimum if at all possible.

Dirty Laundry has replaced Easy Mark in all of my decks at this point.

Not a fan of all those 1-of programs. The large deck size and 1-of cards make it unreliable.

Crescentus may only need 2 copies.

Femme is always good to have around

I never think snitch is needed

Between sneakdoor and datasucker you have two threats on Archives. Don't know if both are needed.

Parasite can work...it pairs great with datasucker.

Corroder is good

Yog is great, but needs more datasuckers in order to work the best

Force of Nature is pretty terrible (not as bad as Aurora). I'd honestly just go with more Yog.0 or more datasuckers

Ninja is a good choice, datasuckers and parasite helps paying twice for the strength boost.

Crypsis - Why aren't you running 3 of these? You want to be able to break anything as early as possible in the game.

Snowball - Meh, you have corroder already

Datasucker - Awesome card, needs 3 in the deck if you want to use it.

I don't think you have enough MU to pull all of this off. If you're focusing on ice destruction, I'd suggest ditching sneakdoor....which Gabe doesn't like to do. Andromeda might be the runner you're looking for.

I'd also ditch crash-space for Plascrete.

Not bad, I just think you're trying to do too much at once. Focus the deck down a bit and I think you'll have something great.

i'm not yet owner of C&C -.-

1 of a kind program, i generally do that for icebreakers for exemple corroder and snowball *1 make me something to break barrier *2

ok i try cresentus *2

i'm may be too much carefull and think snitch is good to avoid very bad surprises (like hb brain damages ice on 4th click)

i don't follow you why datasucker is a threat on archives ?

force ishere to break code gate i case i encounter biger than 3 code gate and do not have a data sucker on rig or loaded with viruses counters (id like to go for gordian blade but it's 3 influence)

yog = more datasucker ok but influence

i think crypsis should be used very wisely and as i m not the only one who plays "my" decks and sometimes i see ppl loose because they too much rely on crypsis
snowball is second of barrier breaker it is not great but can be depending ofthe situation

i keep gabe for the money on hq

so:

-1 cresentus

+2 crypsis

+2 datasucker

-1 snowball

-1 ninja

-1 force of nature

-2 snitch

-1 sneakdoor (i make it a mid/late game option)

-2 cresentus (again)

thank you for you tought i'll try this soon or later ^^

The reason he refers to Datasaucker as a threat on Archives is because you can make repeated runs on an undefended Archives to charge Datasucker with virus counters. Archives is, after all, a central server. Great fun to slam into it once or twice before running into another more important server (especially if you have 2 Datasuckers installed at the time :D ).

ok thakn for the clarification

1 of a kind program, i generally do that for icebreakers for exemple corroder and snowball *1 make me something to break barrier *2

When would you ever have two barrier breakers in play? You don't have the MU to do it, and paying the cost to install the extra program is a bit of a waste.

Since your goal is ice destruction/derezzing, Corroder is just better than Snowball. The only time snow ball is better is if you hit a barrier with multiple subroutines first (Eli,Wall of Thorns, Heimdall, etc) and then hit another barrier after it.

That really isn't a likely case and if that does happen, you're probably just going to destroy or derez the ice anyway. The reason that snowball is really good in shaper is that you have tinkering, dinosaurus, and personal touch available.

The extra cost to play snowball and the rather mediocre advantage that it gives you in certain situations makes me favor corroder over snowball (in Criminal). I'd ditch snowball and get a second corroder if you want two barrier breakers in the deck.

ok i try cresentus *2

Let me know how it works!

i'm may be too much carefull and think snitch is good to avoid very bad surprises (like hb brain damages ice on 4th click)

Don't run on the 4th click unless you are 100% sure you can break anything you come up against (IE Crypsis or a full rig and a good deal of cash).

With Sneakdoor AND Datasucker, you can't afford the MU for snitch. At this point I just feel like it's taking up space in your deck that could go to other things that would help you out more.

i don't follow you why datasucker is a threat on archives ?

CommissarKeesh already covered this one. Two datasuckers + Desperado in play makes an undefended archives a very juicy target. Free tokens and free credits? Yes, please!

force ishere to break code gate i case i encounter biger than 3 code gate and do not have a data sucker on rig or loaded with viruses counters (id like to go for gordian blade but it's 3 influence)

There aren't many codegates above strength three that you really need to worry about (Chum and Tollbooth are the two biggest threats). In that case a datasucker with a token (or two for Tollbooth) is all you need. If you don't have those, Crypsis actually breaks both for the same price as Force of Nature (and can break everything else as well).

i think crypsis should be used very wisely and as i m not the only one who plays "my" decks and sometimes i see ppl loose because they too much rely on crypsis

As criminal you want to be very aggressive, very quickly. And Crypsis is the best way to do that (I pack 3 copies of crypsis in every Criminal deck I run). Yes Crypsis isn't that efficient, but as an early icebreaker, he is phenominal. You defintely don't keep him in play as the game goes on. As soon as you have a full rig up, uninstall crypsis.

He doesn't work well as your only breaker (unless you have 3 datasuckers and other viruses in play), but as your first breaker, he is great. Just the fact that you need him as early as possible in the game means that 3 copies should be packed.

snowball is second of barrier breaker it is not great but can be depending ofthe situation

Like I said, just take a second corroder.