Breaking and Entering and A Pinch of Powder

By Mitya, in 2. AGoT Rules Discussion

Breaking and Entering:

Intrigue Gambit Any attachment or location card that would be discarded from any player's hand as part of the claim of an ico_intrigue.png challenge may be put into play by the winner of the challenge, under his or her control.

A Pinch of Powder:
tem, Weapon After A Pinch of Powder comes out of Shadows,attach it to a character. Limited Response: After you win an ico_intrigue.png or ico_power.png challenge by 3 or more STR,return the attached character to its owner's hand. Then,you may kneel 3 influence to return A Pinch of Powder to Shadows. (Limit 1 limited response per round.)

If I discard A Pinch of Powder for intrigue claim, can I put it on opponent's(or mine) character and use it Limited Response?

EDIT:

See doulos2k's reply below me.

Edited by Tagek

If Pinch of Powder is the card pulled during an Intrigue challenge. The card is pulled during claim. After claim. you still have the passive window and the response window. Therefore, if you won the challenge by 3 or more STR, then you COULD still use the Limited Response on Pinch of Powder because it would be in play when the response window opens.

The only thing I'm not 100% on is the exact moment that Pinch is attached. Here's my take on the timing window:

Framework Events (each having their own steps 1-3)

  1. Determine winner of challenge
  2. Challenge result is implemented (claim happens here and is where Pinch is discarded - my assumption is that the card goes into play immediately under the winner's control... but see further)
  3. Reward for unopposed challenge is awarded
  4. Renown is awarded

STEP 4: Passive abilities (now triggered) are resolved - [i could see an argument for the attachment becoming attached here]

STEP 5: Responses - in either case, the attachment is attached and could be triggered at this point (assuming it is legally attached and the attachment's controller has fulfilled the requirements on the card)

STEP 6: Moribund cards leave play - this is where the attachment would be discarded and the attached character would return to its owner's hand. NOTE: Since in this specific scenario, the card owner no longer controls the attachment, the owner couldn't trigger the influence kneel to return the card to shadows and the card's controller usually wouldn't want to do this... though he/she could but it would return to its owner's shadows area)

Hope that helps.

Putting the attachment into play becomes part of resolving claim. Therefore, it is attached to the character as part of resolving claim, not as part of passive effects after claim is resolved.

Thanks ktom - glad my understanding on the when was correct.

Thanks for your answers.