Hi there ppl!

Im running a Rogue Trader Campaign but im using Only War ruleset (skills, talents, combat system) and im having trouble finding out how some Talents and Traits work together so i thought i would pop in and ask you guys.

So im writing down an adventure about a genestealer infested colony. Im using Deathwatch stats (Emperor Protects) for genestealers. Among other things these guys have the following Talents: Swift Attack and Traits: Multiple Arms; and their claws have the Razor Sharp Quality.

So... as i understand it a genestealer could f.e. move (Half Action), use a Swift Attack Action (Half Action) and then perform 2 Standard Attacks (due to Multiple Arms (2 arm pairs).

The Swift Attack Action has the potential of inflicting 3 hits (thats the maximun, if you manage to get 5 degrees of success; WS 65). Now... Does Razor Sharp triggers for all of them if you get at least 3 degrees of success? (sounds pretty brutal) or it only works for the first hit? or you "spend degrees" on either Razor Sharp trigger or extra attacks...

Also... The additional attacks granted by the Multiple Arms Trait... Am i right considering them standard attacks or can they perform additional swift attacks?? (That would be truly sick).

Perhaps theres something wrong in my calculations?

Thanks in advance for the help.

I'm not sure, but you might be throwing in something truly horrifying.

The maximum DoS with 65 is not 5 at all, you gain 1 for succeeding the roll at all, and an addition DoS per 10 under the threshold. Swift attack modifies with +0 so you're looking at a potential 7DoS with a roll of 05 or less (look at the example in core rules p.31)

add to that multiple arms on page 156. which allows the same benefit as two-weapon wielding, provided the creature has the talents.

Lastly the Razor sharp is triggered by the To-hit roil, and should trigger perfectly well, on all hits made by a swift or lightning-attack.

You're currently looking at 1.4 hits average per round and set of arms. Add to that good odds that at least some of them will be with double pen. And that's before any potential combat modifiers are added. Outnumbering ect.

I might be wrong here some were, but that's how I read the rules.

If you are using the Only War ruleset, you can only get the two extra attacks (from Multiple Arms (4) ) if you also have Two-Weapon Wielder (Melee). And if you have Two-Weapon Wielder, you can already take multiple attacks with your two 'regular' arms.

This extra attack can also be a Swift Attack .

Using the Deathwatch stats ( Auran Genestealer from The Emperor Protects), however, there is no listing on the exact number of arms the genestealer has, but let's assume that it's a grand total of 6, assuming four extra (two pairs) from an inferred Multiple Arms (4) . Deathwatch also doesn't give Genestealers Two-Weapon Wielder (Melee) , so you will have to houserule whether you want the following scenario to unfold or not, but for the record, I would give them Two-Weapon Wielder (Melee) (since they are obviously meant to use those arms, as per Deathwatch's version of Multiple Arms, and as per fluff).

And for the sake of the argument, let's assume that they do have Two-Weapon Wielder (Melee) .

This means that first, the Genestealer can do a Swift Attack with his Natural Weapons (or whatever)

And because of his Two-Weapon Wielder (Melee) talent, he can also do another Swift Attack with his Natural Weapons (or whatever) "off-hand".

He then can do another two attacks, both which can also be Swift Attacks , with his Multiple Arms (4).

That's a potential four Swift Attacks , each swift attack doing a potential 3 Hits each. That's a hypothetical astonishing 12 hits(!).

And while the wording for the Razor Sharp Special Quality might be a bit off (imo), and I would personally houserule that it should only apply to the first hit if there are multiple strikes during a single attack, Razor Sharp is triggered by the attack roll to hit; It would, by RAW, absolutely double the Penetration of every single one of those 12 hits.

Yes, using the Auran Genestealer stats from Deathwatch: The Emperor Protects, the Genestealer could potentially perform 12 claw-***** consisting of 1d10+14, Pen 14 . I will assume that the Auran Genestealer has it's added melee Strength Bonus baked into the profile's listed Claws, because otherwise it's going to be an astonishing 1d10+26, which I just think is a tad unlikely.

At least that's how I'm reading the rules. I might be wrong. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong. Please to god, correct me. I don't want to meet this in a dark alley.

I'm not sure, but you might be throwing in something truly horrifying.

The maximum DoS with 65 is not 5 at all, you gain 1 for succeeding the roll at all, and an addition DoS per 10 under the threshold. Swift attack modifies with +0 so you're looking at a potential 7DoS with a roll of 05 or less (look at the example in core rules p.31)

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But, as it turns out, you're entirely right! Kudos on pointing that out; Only War does indeed start counting Degrees of Success on the first Success, which is definitely a good thing. There's no longer such a thing as a "Success, Zero Degrees of Success". Thanks!

Yep, Genestealers are rather cheese, regardless of what system they are in. I hope your group has fun, and lives to tell of it.

Now give them Lightning Attack.

Now give them Lightning Attack.

Yep, Genestealers are rather cheese, regardless of what system they are in. I hope your group has fun, and lives to tell of it.

They are, in fairness, supposed to be. Corporaptor Hominis is the galaxy's apex predator species, barring daemons and other things which aren't actually 'alive'. If you are within arm's length of it, you are dead, barring a miracle. Good luck!

Why not just imagine a genestealer space marine while you're at it, already? D:

Actually done that in Dark Heresy Ascension. A chapter that's been compromised and infected top to bottom by an especially devious 'stealer cult.

That caused a fair amount of fear when the PCs realised what was going on.

Now give them Lightning Attack.

Why not just imagine a genestealer space marine while you're at it, already? D:

Nah. Just using the Stat-block from Creatures Anathema.

Yes, that DH