about the "beginning of a phase" & shadow

By sky_cuson, in 2. AGoT Rules Discussion

In faq4.1, it says"First, the phase begins as a framework step. Next, cards are brought out of Shadows, following the game rules as specified in the Shadows rules insert. Each card is brought out one at a time, and fully resolved (including responses) before the next card is brought out of Shadows. Each of these individual Shadow actions takes place and resolves in full between steps 3 and 4 of the "Beginning of Phase" framework action window. Finally, the beginning of phase framework window is complete, and passives and responses to the beginning of the phase may be resolved."

Now I puzzle over the "fully resolved". It includes responses, but does it include moribund cards' leaving play?
For example, I bright out Sister of Truth, and choose my opponent's The Queen of Thorns to return to shadows. Now my opponent can responses The Queen of Thorns to claim 1 power. And then should it leave play at once? Or it will leave after his turn to bright his card out of shadows?
If he has 13 power before I bright out sister of truth, he will win by responding twice, or I can prevent he via sister of truth?
Edited by sky_cuson

Actually, The Queen of Thorns' response is "limit once per phase", so your opponent cannot use her response twice.

About your initial question, I've always played it as including removing moribund cards from play.

This is clarifies in the actual Shadow rules insert, where it says: "Each card that comes out of Shadows is treated as a separate action , and must be fully resolved (including responses) before the next card is brought out of Shadows." Completing the separate action would include physically removing all moribund cards from play - the same as any other action window.

Beginning of phase action windows end up looking like this:

Step 1. Initiate "beginning of phase."

Step 2. Save/Cancel against "beginning of phase."

Step 3. Resolve "beginning of phase" (phase officially started).

-- Shadow P1.1. Initiate player 1's opportunity to bring a card out of Shadows

-- Shadow P1.2. Save/cancel against player 1's bringing a card out of Shadows.

-- Shadow P1.3. Resolve player 1's opportunity to being a card out of Shadows) (card officially enters play)

-- Shadow P1.4. Passives to player 1's Shadow card.

-- Shadow P1.5. Responses to player 1's Shadow card.

-- Shadow P1.6. End player 1's Shadow opportunity (including moving moribund cards)

---- Repeat Shadow PX.1-PX.6 until all players have had the opportunity to being a card out of Shadows

Step 4. Passives to "beginning of phase"

Step 5. Responses to "beginning of phase"

Step 6. End "beginning of phase" window (including moving moribund cards)

-- Shadow P1.1. Initiate player 1's opportunity to bring a card out of Shadows

-- Shadow P1.2. Save/cancel against player 1's bringing a card out of Shadows.

-- Shadow P1.3. Resolve player 1's opportunity to being a card out of Shadows) (card officially enters play)

-- Shadow P1.4. Passives to player 1's Shadow card.

-- Shadow P1.5. Responses to player 1's Shadow card.

-- Shadow P1.6. End player 1's Shadow opportunity (including moving moribund cards)

---- Repeat Shadow PX.1-PX.6 until all players have had the opportunity to being a card out of Shadows

Also, remember that the first response to a player's shadow card being brought out lies with the player sitting to the left of the player bringing out the card - and not with the First Player, even though technically we're inside a Framework Action Window.

I always visualize the Shadows opportunity as a special Player Action that is inserted into the "Beginning of Phase" Framework Action Window, with the restriction that bringing cards out of shadows is the only action that's allowed, and that each player has exactly one such opportunity. Apart from that restriction, the Shadows opportunity does work pretty much like a regular Player Action, including the order of responses and moribund cards leaving play.

with faq4.1,we knew that bring a shadow card out of shadow is a Framework Action Window,why not the First Player response first?

thanks.

Because of the following (from p. 25) wasn't changed in FAQ 4.1:

"Who gets the first opportunity to play a response?

If the response is to a player action, the player to the left of the person who initiated the action has the first opportunity to respond. Response opportunity then passes clockwise around the table. Note that responses to bringing a card out of Shadows are handled in this fashion, with the player to the left of the person who brought a card out of Shadows having the first response opportunity .

In a Framework Action Window, the "First Player" always has the first opportunity to respond. Response opportunity then passes clockwise around the table. Note that challenge resolution is a framework action window, so the “First Player” has response priority regardless of his status as attacker or defender."