I heard people complain that it does not include a reference card for the troll. But the description here on this website says:

The Troll and Country expansion introduces a new revered creature into the BattleLore universe-the fearsome Troll! This expansion introduces two new epic scenarios which pits the mighty Troll against the Humans. Also, a new Troll bridge is introduced in this expansion. Reference cards for both the Troll and the Troll bridge are included in the For Troll and Country expansion.

So which is it? Also is the troll bridge a special bridge or do we use the bridge form the base game? If it includes both reference cards, and I can get it online with the standard discount (comes to $12.57 without shipping) I’ll buy it. The thing is I’m thinking maybe there’s two versions of this expansion, one with the cards, and one without. And if that’s the case, the online retailers probably carry the one that does not have a card.

Can somebody FGG clear this up? Are there two versions? Is the troll bridge a regular bridge? Do I have to buy from FFG to get the reference cards?

The orginal version creatd by DOW did NOT contain the reference card. Since this was produced during the transition period of the sale, FFG distributed most of these. The copies I received from FFG did not contain teh card (however, the card is printed on the map so you can know how to use the figure).

Since that time, FFG MAY have included the card into the package. It would be easy to slip one in. But I have not heard any confirmation on this.

El Cuajinais said:

The original expansion from DoW has the bridge pre-printed upon the included map, and it is the Stone Bridge that is included in the Call to Arms expansion graphic that is used. No stone bridge tile was included with the Troll & Country expansion, though it is expressed that either the stone bridge from the CtA expansion or a regular bridge tile from the base game may be used.

For another unsolicited opinion, if the sole reason one has for not getting this particular expansion is the lack of a separate reference card and the bridge tile, I wouldn't let that stop one. Besides, plenty of other reasons to complain about this particular "expansion"

toddrew said:

Besides, plenty of other reasons to complain about this particular "expansion"

Agreed. That is why I'm looking for an "excuse" to buy it. That excuse happens to be:

At least now they included the reference cards.

Thanks for explaining which bridge graphic is used.

There's been much whining and gnashing of teeth over the format of the troll expansion, but I think it's much ado about nothing. Would I like to have an actual card for the Troll so that he's easier to use in other scenarios? Sure. So I printed my own. A minor annoyance when we're talking about a single card. Do I have a problem with the paper maps? Not really. It's nice to be able to just slap the map down and start setting up units on it at times. Other times, I'd rather take the time to set up the terrain as well. When folded, the paper map fits in the original box and that IS a very big deal for me. I'm not keen that the paper map tends to hang over the edge of my gaming table (whereas the epic board fits just fine), but I can hardly expect DoW or FFG to cater to me on THAT level. The Troll is a great creature (I kept squinting at his stats to make sure I hadn't mis-read how many dice his meat cleaver uses) and I'm glad to have him. To my mind, the real consideration here is price. I might never have bought the expansion because of that. However, I received it as a gift, so I was relieved of that decision.

Trump said:

Not clear from my post above, but aside from thinking the price should be a little lower (yet at the same time understanding why it would be that high as well), I like the Troll and Map. At $13 ppd, while not a steal, it is a good price. If one has no use for the map at all, not such a good price, but bucking up for the Troll alone might be something one considers worth it.

In my opinion the Troll has a very interesting impact on gameplay, very fun to play with or against. I do not feel that the reference card is very important, nor getting a bridge tile necessary either, but understand that for $18 it is reasonable for the customer to expect that they would be in there.

toddrew said:

Also kinda surprised todd didn't mention this, but one can get the actual monster stats from here on the FFG site. And thus one can use another Troll minature to represent it. Just like the other monsters that are out of print (and no I'm not saying the Troll is out of print, but the others are).

As for the price, I've yet to see a price that low - at least at the local gaming stores. Of course, there are quite a few sites that do offer lower rates for any game.

Cab

Apparently no FFG employee reads these boards.

I have another question: If I buy the Call to Arms Expansion now, will I get missing banners and incorrect card backs or has this been corrected?As you can see I'm looking to spend $$$ on BL but FFG is not cooperating.

El Cuajinais said:

Whether they are read or not is debatable, but no, you will not get much of a direct response from an FFG employee here. If you email their customer service the response time is very good, though.

"I have another question: If I buy the Call to Arms Expansion now, will I get missing banners and incorrect card backs or has this been corrected?"

I believe that FFG is still issuing out the "correct" card backs for those who purchase Call to Arms and aren't satisfied with the specialist card backs for that expansion matching the card backs from the other figure expansions (though, strictly speaking, the Call to Arms backs are the correct ones, and the other expansions have the incorrect ones - just easier to change the backs from the single Call to Arms expansion than the other 5 ).

There are no incorrect banners with the Call to Arms expansion, but the (fortiutous, in my mind ) error made with the Hyena banners in the Goblin Marauders expansion is being corrected by FFG in that they will send out the normal blue mounted banners that were to have been included in that expansion.

El Cuajinais said:

I am sure they read the forums. But their stated policy from the beginning that rules questions are handled through direct email (well through the forms to fill it out) and that announcements go through the news page. So their involvement in the forums is very minimal and their posting is basically non-existant.

Let's keep in mind, this is not DOW and they are not going to do things the way you would expect DOW to do them. They will announce when they are ready to announce, has been my experience.

Does the Troll get any benefit from "his" bridge?

I've downloaded the Troll "card" from FFG and was curious about the bridge.

regards

Ian

toffeeman said:

Yup. While upon the bridge the Troll must ignore all flags rolled against it, and if the Troll is on the bridge at the beginning of the controlling player's turn, it recovers one "regeneration" token, not to exceed the original amount of two.

toddrew said:

Thanks for the reply - much appreciated.

regards

Ian

By the way, I finally played the Troll Bridge scenario for the first time last weekend and it was a VERY fun scenario! I will post a session report today over on BGG. The troll is a great addition even if it is a little over priced. I didn't really care for the paper maps because the pieces don't sit well where the creases in the map are but that isn't a big deal.Other than that I thought it was great!

14cross said:

Buy plexiglass. It should be in every (war) gamer's collection!

ColtsFan76 said:

Ya, That's my plan if/when FFG produces more of these types of maps.