Big Cyclone Question?

By Deck dont matter, in UFS Rules Q & A

My question is, does the attack interupt the attack your opponent played?

For Example:

Opponent: Plays an attack
Opponent: E: The ways of punishment, forces me to discard 3 cards
Me: Discard 2X Big Cyclone and Olcadan's Mentoring

What happens next?

Both Big Cyclones are played immediately and then resolved in succession.

To answer your question - no, the current attack is not interrupted. It finishes resolving, and then Big Cyclone(s) resolve.

The only ways to interrupt an attack currently in progress are 1. abort the attack by removing it from the card pool during the enhance step (e.g. Make a Difference, which discards all attacks from all card pools), or 2. play an ability that specifically states that it disrupts the resolution of an attack (e.g. ::R.Mika::, whose Enhance lets you resolve an attack before your opponent's deals damage).

Big Cyclone falls under neither example - it will enter your card pool and wait its turn to resolve, though even against Ways of Punishment that isn't usually a bad thing because of Big Cyclone's continuous ability that prevents your opponent from using any damage bonuses!

A related question about both cards:

It's my turn and I play an attack and use The Ways of Punishment to discard all of my opponents hand. One or more of the cards of the cards discarded is Big Cyclone and so it gets put into the card pool. Does Big Cyclone resolve before The Ways of Punishment would end the turn?

No. The wording on TWoP is that "your turn ends after your attack resolves". Big Cyclone resolves independently of the attack you played TWoP on; it occurs after any responses to an attack resolving would be able to be played.

So yes, TWoP would end your turn before their Big Cyclone(s) would resolve. Techy.

Not to challenge the ruling on both MegaGeese and Tagrineth, but I still don't understand that...the Big Cyclones are played when they are discarded from your hand and has it not been said if a card is played you must resolve it? So must you then resolve both of the Big Cyclones before you can finish the resolving of the original attack? There is nothing in the from what i can find in the tournament Rules that are posted that say "You must completely resolve an attack before entering another attacks resolution" or something to that extent.

Jesse,

Here is the step by step how it plays out:

You are attacking me with Kurza Reppa

You use "an efficient method to slay people."

I discard 2x Big Cyclone I place them both in my card pool.

You use Reppa multiple E, and drop 2 copies into your card pool.

We proceed to block step on the Reppa.

I block, or I don't, and damage is resolved accordingly. If I block, I could choose to play a reversal.

If I player a reversal, we then resolve it.

After going through that, we resolve Big Cyclone #1

Then we resolve big cyclone#2

Then we would resolve your first multiple

and finally we would resolve your second multiple.

Specifically, Big Cyclone does say "Play this ability". That means it is considered a forum. It breaks the game rules, and falls under the "golden rule".

Because you cannot normally play forms during that state, they are placed on hold until the current form is resolved.

Antigoth said:

Jesse,

Here is the step by step how it plays out:

You are attacking me with Kurza Reppa

You use "an efficient method to slay people."

I discard 2x Big Cyclone I place them both in my card pool.

You use Reppa multiple E, and drop 2 copies into your card pool.

We proceed to block step on the Reppa.

I block, or I don't, and damage is resolved accordingly. If I block, I could choose to play a reversal.

If I player a reversal, we then resolve it.

After going through that, we resolve Big Cyclone #1

Then we resolve big cyclone#2

Then we would resolve your first multiple

and finally we would resolve your second multiple.

Specifically, Big Cyclone does say "Play this ability". That means it is considered a forum. It breaks the game rules, and falls under the "golden rule".

Because you cannot normally play forms during that state, they are placed on hold until the current form is resolved.

Im thinking this is iether a wording or my interpretation going wrong...

But aren't the Kuz Multiples part of its form? I know if you blocked-> reversaled that interrupts, but if Big Cyclone is considered a Form, and you have to wait for the current form to end (as opposed to Reversal being a React) dont you have to wait for the multiples?

Im guessing its really a special case and not a form or a react, and that it just resolves after the "current attack" wether or not that is the end of its form or not.

One more question, same situation, but after discarding the 2 big cyclones to my card pool, i block and multiple your first kaz rep. Does my Reversal resolve, then my big cyclones, then your multiple copy?

Or do i resolve cyclones, then reversals, then your multiple copies?

Thanks

Yes, the multiples are part of the form (see ruling for Pyrokinetics - if the card played with its boost has a Multiple ability that is played, the Multiples will resolve). However, each is treated as a separate attack. As Tag said, a card must specifically state that it interrupts the current attack in order to be able to do so (though I couldn't point you to where, if at all, that could be found in the TR).

Cyclone isn't really considered a Form, per se, though. But yus, it's more a "special case".

In your last example, your Reversal would resolve first, as it is a response that you play after the Block Step of your opponent's attack (in other words, while that attack is still resolving). The Cyclones would come afterward, assuming that your opponent does not block and Reversal your attack =/

First attack -> Reversal -> Cyclones -> Multiple copy

Thank you for the explanation Mr. Mitchell, With the use of the "Golden Rule" it explains how the situation would resolve. And it give a exact answer to my question with proof.

Geese, not to say that you are wrong in the order, but you do have the timing on Reversal off a bit. Reversal is actually after an attack you block resolves, not during the block step.