Just Bugs Me

By MarthWMaster, in Star Wars: The Card Game

I would like to start this post by emphasizing that I love this game. Having played both Decipher's and Wizards' respective takes on the license, I strongly prefer Star Wars: The Card Game over either of them, and just as strongly wish for it to continue.

That said, in true Star Wars fashion it's the little things that bug me the most about the game. I've mentioned a few of them on this forum, but for the first time I'm just gonna list them all in one place, going point-by-point and explaining things when necessary. Finally, I will close with some last comments about why I'm doing this and what my overall feelings are about the game in light of these little problems. Now, without further ado:

- Thematics/Gameplay: Red Five may not perform a Trench Run. (The involved objective sets preclude one another from existing in the same deck due to conflicting affiliation requirements.)

- Technical: Red Five and Red Two should not be italicized, as they are the pilots' callsigns, not their ships' designations. (Fixable in future printings, provided FFG is aware of the issue, and I imagine that they are, since the problem does not return with Rogue Three in The Desolation of Hoth.)

- Thematics/Gameplay: I can't have my A-Wing perform a Heroic Sacrifice against a Star Destroyer of any kind, let alone the Executor as is done in the film.

- Artwork: The second Death Star should not appear on a card called "Death and Despayre," as Despayre is destroyed (by the first Death Star) before work on the second Death Star has begun.

- Artwork: The planet shown on A Dark Time for the Rebellion is clearly Endor, despite it being a Hoth card.

- Gameplay: The "0" on the Death Star Dial cannot, under any circumstances, reappear after the game has begun, since all effects that decrease the dial do so "to a minimum of 1."

- Thematics: Cards in the same objective set frequently depict iconic moments from drastically different points in the canon. I recognize that they are presenting a "timeline neutral" view of the saga, but they are doing so in a way that prevents Nedly players like myself from theming our decks in any distinguishable way. If I wanted to, say, build a deck around Luke's first exposure to the Empire, and the Rebellion fighting it, I couldn't use Don't Get Cocky (ANH), because doing so forces me to add a Hoth objective (ESB), a world the Rebellion flees to under the leadership of Commander Skywalker.

Those are all the problems I can currently think of, but I think that the forum is now such that I can add any that come to mind later. I'm posting the issues I'm having simply to get them off my chest, and also to let any others who may share them know they are not alone. I must reiterate, though: these problems are not enough to diminish my enjoyment of what is a very good game overall. This remains my favorite interpretation of Star Wars in card form, and I sincerely hope neither FFG nor Disney has any intention of cutting its lifespan short. Anyway...Just Bugs Me.

Edited by MarthWMaster

On the Death & Despayre, just because we never saw the construction of the first Death Star doesn't mean that there wouldn't be a point where you could see it under construction while orbiting Despayre, which is how I interpreted the art on the card.

Unfortunately, canon contradicts this, as we do in fact get to see the partially completed Death Star at two separate phases of its construction: neither its appearance in Revenge of the Sith, nor The Force Unleashed (when it is arguably about as far along as the Death Star II is during Return of the Jedi), looks anything like what we see on the card. On the other hand, any comparison of pictures of the Death Star II with Death and Despayre's artwork will yield that it is obviously the same battlestation.

Edited by MarthWMaster

Just because all current cards reduce the DS dial to a minimum of 1 doesn't mean that there won't be a future card that could knock it back from 1 to 0. Just saying.

I kind of feel like the artwork for the Jedi Lightsaber should have been the art they used for Trust Your Feelings. That is when the Lightsaber is first introduced in the original Star Wars and Trust Your Feelings was a line used later on in the film.

Have to agree with you on a couple of your points. I think that because this game doesn't portray reality of combat theatres it's really important to get themes and art right within the pods. This is such a well-designed game that I'm surprised when stuff like this happens with the art or names of cards. What I don't get is that it's not a hard thing to do.

A great example: Veers's pod has a Turbolaser Battery from the Death Star in it? Why? This makes no sense. How hard would it have been to just make it an event called Maximum Firepower or make it an AT-AT Laser Cannon or make this the E-Web Repeating Blaster. I don't know, how hard would it have been to make it Hoth-related? Same thing with Hoth cards in Mon Mothma's pod, makes no sense.

To my mind, suspending absolute reality is fine to benefit gameplay. But there's no reason to disregard theme with names of cards or art -- it doesn't help the game in any way I can think of, only hurts it.

It's a card game. Yes, things don't make a little sense, but its for balance issues.

Instead of bickering and complaining on every little nip picking detail, and focusing on every negative thing you "think" is wrong with this game, consider the alternative. We could have no game.

this game is awesome. lets just enjoy it

Instead of bickering and complaining on every little nip picking detail, and focusing on every negative thing you "think" is wrong with this game, consider the alternative. We could have no game.

I went out of my way in the topic post to clarify that I love the game, and would hate to lose it altogether. Did that not come through?

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Instead of bickering and complaining on every little nip picking detail, and focusing on every negative thing you "think" is wrong with this game, consider the alternative. We could have no game.

this game is awesome. lets just enjoy it

I don't know what you do in the privacy of your own home, but for the rest of us: the term is "Nit-picking." How's that for irony? (NOTE: a nit is a louse egg - as in lice).

As for the OP, what do you want us to say? Should FFG commission new art and reprint the cards? Would a written letter of apology suffice? Perhaps the president of the company should resign in shame. You tell us what it will take to make this right for you.

Things seem to be getting kind of aggressive here... I think the OP was just expressing his thoughts on the fact that this could be a little more accurate in a few ways but nothing that really makes it a big deal. For instance, one thing I have noticed is the only version of R2-D2 and C3PO we have are both within Jedi Objective Sets. Nothing really big, just something I noticed was interesting considering both are droids, can't use the force and have had quite a bit of time with other characters within the Star Wars Universe than just Jedi. I can only imagine they are included in Jedi Objective Sets because Luke was their owner and therefore they were his responsibility... Still, they weren't always with him.

Things seem to be getting kind of aggressive here... I think the OP was just expressing his thoughts on the fact that this could be a little more accurate in a few ways but nothing that really makes it a big deal. For instance, one thing I have noticed is the only version of R2-D2 and C3PO we have are both within Jedi Objective Sets. Nothing really big, just something I noticed was interesting considering both are droids, can't use the force and have had quite a bit of time with other characters within the Star Wars Universe than just Jedi. I can only imagine they are included in Jedi Objective Sets because Luke was their owner and therefore they were his responsibility... Still, they weren't always with him.

I think FFG fully plans to do multiple versions of characters for factions. This along with Red 5 isn't a big deal even though I was concerned about it at first too. We've seen with Vader and the upcoming Han there will be multiple affiliations for characters, so I'm sure we'll see a Rebel Artoo, Threepio and Red 5. I do agree with some of the other points though, including the things I mentioned before.

Things seem to be getting kind of aggressive here... I think the OP was just expressing his thoughts on the fact that this could be a little more accurate in a few ways but nothing that really makes it a big deal. For instance, one thing I have noticed is the only version of R2-D2 and C3PO we have are both within Jedi Objective Sets. Nothing really big, just something I noticed was interesting considering both are droids, can't use the force and have had quite a bit of time with other characters within the Star Wars Universe than just Jedi. I can only imagine they are included in Jedi Objective Sets because Luke was their owner and therefore they were his responsibility... Still, they weren't always with him.

I think FFG fully plans to do multiple versions of characters for factions. This along with Red 5 isn't a big deal even though I was concerned about it at first too. We've seen with Vader and the upcoming Han there will be multiple affiliations for characters, so I'm sure we'll see a Rebel Artoo, Threepio and Red 5. I do agree with some of the other points though, including the things I mentioned before.

Right you are... sometimes I forget about that wonderful Lord Vader's Command objective set.

What bugs me is that we drive on parkways and park on driveways. I should start a thread about it.

I think FFG fully plans to do multiple versions of characters for factions. This along with Red 5 isn't a big deal even though I was concerned about it at first too. We've seen with Vader and the upcoming Han there will be multiple affiliations for characters, so I'm sure we'll see a Rebel Artoo, Threepio and Red 5. I do agree with some of the other points though, including the things I mentioned before.

Absolutely. I'll admit: it isn't my biggest beef either anymore. One could argue that Luke is being directed by Obi-Wan throughout the Battle of Yavin, as in the above-mentioned quote, "Trust your feelings." This version of Red Five should therefore be a Jedi card, but since the artwork does not show it yet performing a trench run (the wide surface of the Death Star is in the background), it need not be able to do so in gameplay. I'll move this one from Just Bugs Me to Just Struck Me As Odd Initially.

Edited by MarthWMaster

It bugs me that Leia doesn't have the Princess trait.

What bugs me is that we drive on parkways and park on driveways. I should start a thread about it.

You could, just not here, wrong forum. Unless you want to talk about shipping starfighters and fighting starships.

It bugs me that Leia doesn't have the Princess trait.

She has the Leader trait, which works as a catch-all for Characters in a position of power. Interestingly though, neither Emperor Palpatine nor either version of Darth Vader have Leader status.