Senior Cardinal Ignato's Tribunal II (Mutatus Vita Crux)

By Senior Cardinal Ignato, in Dark Heresy

Mutatus Vita Crux

“There he goes, One of the Emperor’s own prototypes. Some kind

of high powered mutant never even considered

for mass production. Too weird to live, and too rare to die.”---Hunter S. Tybalt

(Imperial Adept Hereticus/Slaneesh Scribe)

When the dust settled after the first Conclave of the cardinals and bishops of the Calixis sector, the riots outside the Cathedral of Illumination had escalated to the point that half a regiment of Imperial Guardsmen were needed and martial law was called forth and needed for half a month as riots broke out among the lowest reaches of Hive Tarsus. Hundred’s were killed and thousands injured, as inflammatory remarks from the sector’s Ecclesiarchy went too far in many minds, upsetting major party members of the ruling class of Scintilla and the Adeptus Mechanicus.

The debate still rages on over Puritanism v.s. Radicalism when it comes down to the Inquisition’s way of dealing with heretical threats. The leaders of the revolutionaries refused to give up names of their coconspirators even under the harshest of interrogation, psychic probing and matters too grim that myself could hardly withstand to hear, I can only imagine a deep sigh echoing from the golden throne over the matters, in which politics and faith divided over significant amount of the roles played by each branch of the Imperium.

What was most frightening was during the riots, several large bombs were detonated in and about the grounds of the Cathedral causing most of the death toll who were made up of mostly pilgrims that had come to Scintilla just for a chance to see the Cathedral which suffered only minor damage. The frightening aspect besides the bloodshed was who the planets Governor and Inquisition led by Lord Inquisitor Caidin, and its High Council and Officio from the Tricorn Palace of Scintilla placing almost all the blame upon the “mutants of low level hive scum”, as summed up by Caidin. These so called mutants were given no trial and with hardly any evidence against them and were sentenced to death immediately.

This caused a disastrous set-back for the Cathedral and its followers, patrons, and loyalists who are seen by most to be corrupted by the Ruinous Powers of Chaos when in almost every case my bishops across the Sector, especially those of the Hazeroth zone depend on mutants of some grade or another to do the dirty work on forge worlds, to mining planets on down to simple agri-worlds.

This brings me to a once bright and rising scribe of the Imperium who lived out his final days in pure gluttony that along with constant chem-use and an acquired taste for “warp” channeling ended up dying a dried up pile of skin and bones abusing every edict possible in the pursuit of pleasure, ultimately dying of overdose of carnal sin and mass drug abuse on the pleasure world of Cyprian’s Gate. Hunter was by far one of the most gifted scribes I had ever had the grace of working with as he had a natural flair for delving into even the tightest of political parties and uncovering plots, tainted men of power and the ilk, somewhere along the line of duty he too feel prey to the Ruinous Powers that thirst at every dark corner of the Lord and Living God Emperor's divine blueprint.

Although Hunter never lost “respect” or “admiration” of those who eked out life hiding their deformities as not to be called simply heretics by the mutations of their epidermis system. This zeal of Hunter for the mutated led me on many a pilgrimage and acts of mercy across the sector with my bishops in agreement that something must be done about the Mutant Dilemma. Once again I invite all of the Adeptus of the Ministorum and other callings to meet for a second Conclave addressing what they would have done with the mutated who forge our steel, mine our minerals, and carry out the hardships that most middle to upper-class society and hardline members of Adeptus Terra find hideous, beyond hope, and should be dealt with as would a common infestation of rats, utter extermination with absolute no exceptions.


What are your feelings to the mutated?


Is there an unseen line dividing the mutated from the sick?


Should we try and cure these mutations or strike them down for fear of spreading?


What defines a mutant from that of a corrupted soul led by a Ruinous Power?

What are your feelings to the mutated?

Hide well for the flames of the Emperor will find you!

Is there an unseen line dividing the mutated from the sick?

A mutation is much more than a mere sickness. When a illness has passed the man might live on unchanged but with a mutation there is a permanent change that will be passed on from son to child.

Should we try and cure these mutations or strike them down for fear of spreading?

Fire is the only cure for mutation lest it spread.
What defines a mutant from that of a corrupted soul led by a Ruinous Power?

Both must be burned but beware the damage of the Ruinous Powers. The mind may be rotten and not so easily seen.

What are your feelings to the mutated?

They are the true unsung Heroes of the Blessed Imperium. Who else would labour away with little regard for their own safety? Who is it you must ask yourselves that makes the munitions? that processes, under the watchful eye of the Adeptus Mechanicus, the raw chemicals that fuel our great weapons of destruction? Who else is it that suffers such ingratitude from the Common Man in his ignorance?

Is there an unseen line dividing the mutated from the sick?

A Biologis Magus was recently given great scorn and counted as a Heretic by many when /he/ spoke of chemicals that over time corrupt the bodies natural measures, he gave the facts and figures of those known poorly as Ratlings and the dim witted Ogryn, showing how they were mutated by the environment much the same way as the specimen on his operating table was mutated by the chemicals in the promethium plant where he toiled away.

Often the sick are mutated to ill health due to the environment or the work they perform.


Should we try and cure these mutations or strike them down for fear of spreading?

We should expand apon our knowledge, if these means that many must die apon the dissecting tables then so be it, how can one curea sickness with out first divining its cause?

Should the cause be of the Ruinous sort, then yes stike it down with the prayers of Him Most Holy on your lips, know that you do great works in his name, should however the cause be shown to be environmental or even from poor breeding stock, then find a cure, or at least give them meaningful place with in our great Imperium, let them find succour in the depths of the great factories where they can continue to support the Imperium that allows them to live in His Glorious Name!

What defines a mutant from that of a corrupted soul led by a Ruinous Power?

Choice.

A man born to a family that knows only the Fire Pits of the great water heaters of the hive is not there by choice.

That his skin might blacken and harden, and over time such a thing might be passed on to any children he might produce, who inturn develop an immunity to such terrible heat that they can openly work the fire of the heaters with their own hands.

This is vastly different to the man who sells his accursed soul to the Ruinous Ones for power and gain, his reward being that those powers warp his body with sorceries and unholy rites.

Such a one must be destroyed for he has made the choice free of mind to do such a thing.

What are your feelings to the mutated?

I feel no pity for the corrupted. Some bear their heresy on their inside some on their outside. Mutants are an affront to the holy human construction!

Is there an unseen line dividing the mutated from the sick?

No evolution seen in the ratlings and the ogryns have nothing to do with the corrupted mutants.


Should we try and cure these mutations or strike them down for fear of spreading?

Gentlemen we have the cure and it is spelled E-x-t-e-r-m-i-n-a-t-i-o-n, Extermination! It is not by fear but by duty that we must eradicate this insidious corruption.

We should expand upon our knowledge, if these means that many must die apon the dissecting tables then so be it, how can one curea sickness with out first divining its cause?

This statement is heresy, I don't think any respectable Inquisitor would call Mutation a sickness , there is nothing more we could learn about the mutant threat.

What defines a mutant from that of a corrupted soul led by a Ruinous Power?

It is only logical that the Mutants, corrupted on the outside, are corrupted on the inside. Is it not true that the ones corrupted on the inside becomes corrupted on the outside? The two "states" are one side on the same coin!

What are your feelings to the mutated?

In this case it is cut and dry, the Emperor himself has declared all Mutants Anathema, and they should all be destroyed. It is only by the very same Grace of the Emperor that the Navigators are allowed to live and thrive.

Is there an unseen line dividing the mutated from the sick?

The sick are still fundamentally human. While both are caused by outside forces, one leaves the person still human, the other turns him or her to anathema.


Should we try and cure these mutations or strike them down for fear of spreading?

Strike them down without fear or hesitation for they are Anathema by the decree of the Emperor.

What defines a mutant from that of a corrupted soul led by a Ruinous Power?

A mutant can be caused by a force not related directly to a Ruinous Power, such as toxic sludge. Both are corrupted however.

Isn't there a distinction between abhumans and full fledged mutants? Otherwise all of Sepheris Secundus would have been declared exterminatus since most of their slave labor force is considered mutants.

Zarkhovian_Rhythm said:

Isn't there a distinction between abhumans and full fledged mutants? Otherwise all of Sepheris Secundus would have been declared exterminatus since most of their slave labor force is considered mutants.

There is, but in my opinion its a play on words at best. An Sepheris Secundus is full of mutants and should be declared exterminatus. Why it hasn't is simply because its cheaper to use the mutants as slaves, while we use the Emperor's true servants to fight more pressing enemies.

Xathess Wolfe said:

Zarkhovian_Rhythm said:

Isn't there a distinction between abhumans and full fledged mutants? Otherwise all of Sepheris Secundus would have been declared exterminatus since most of their slave labor force is considered mutants.

There is, but in my opinion its a play on words at best. An Sepheris Secundus is full of mutants and should be declared exterminatus. Why it hasn't is simply because its cheaper to use the mutants as slaves, while we use the Emperor's true servants to fight more pressing enemies.

Good point. Nuke 'em from orbit. Only way to be sure...cool.gif

What are your feelings to the mutated?

To brand every mutant equal in threat to the Imperium is folly. To see homogeny of thought among those who, by the their very nature, are different from one another is the mark of one possessing inelegant thought and a shocking lack of discretion. For every mutant who takes up arms against the righteous there is another who toils away, seeking redemption for his soul and, in doing so, benefits the Imperium. We tolerate the sanctionate while we strike down the wytch. Would you have us put all those with the psyker taint to the flame as well?

Is there an unseen line dividing the mutated from the sick?

Sickness is an ailment. Mutation is a corruption. One attacks the body and weakens the mid. The other corrupts the form and imperils the soul. The Medicae treats the former, but only faith can ward the soul.

Should we try and cure these mutations or strike them down for fear of spreading?

There is no cure, only redemption. A life of toil for the benefit of mankind can cleanse the soul as time upon the scouring rack may.


What defines a mutant from that of a corrupted soul led by a Ruinous Power?

A mutant can fight to protect his soul from the corrupting taint present within his body. Once a tainted soul there can be no redemption, no penance extreme enough to expunge them of their sin. A man of corrupted soul will soon bear corruption of mind and body. It is this which makes the mutant threat insidious, and why so many are prone to indiscriminate and heavy-handed measures that cost the Imperium and weaken it's ability to combat the true threats to its existence.

Snidesworth said:

What are your feelings to the mutated?

We tolerate the sanctionate while we strike down the wytch. Would you have us put all those with the psyker taint to the flame as well?

Is there an unseen line dividing the mutated from the sick?

Sickness is an ailment. Mutation is a corruption. One attacks the body and weakens the mid. The other corrupts the form and imperils the soul. The Medicae treats the former, but only faith can ward the soul.

Should we try and cure these mutations or strike them down for fear of spreading?

There is no cure, only redemption. A life of toil for the benefit of mankind can cleanse the soul as time upon the scouring rack may.


What defines a mutant from that of a corrupted soul led by a Ruinous Power?

A mutant can fight to protect his soul from the corrupting taint present within his body. Once a tainted soul there can be no redemption, no penance extreme enough to expunge them of their sin. A man of corrupted soul will soon bear corruption of mind and body. It is this which makes the mutant threat insidious, and why so many are prone to indiscriminate and heavy-handed measures that cost the Imperium and weaken it's ability to combat the true threats to its existence.

Tolerance if anything weakens the Imperium, we have seen it in the past, the present, and, i assure you, we will see it in the future.

We tolerate the sanctionite by ancient decree made by the God-Emperor Himself. Your baseless accusations to the Puritanical ways are insulting!

Unsanctioned Mutants are beyond redemption, but if you think they can absolve their souls in the afterlifes, by the Grace of the God-Emperor, why not purify them immediatly with fire?!

The Mutations are only proof of the present corruption of the soul. The Mutant shows his heresy on the outside, the heretic hides it on the inside, when the heretic is deemed worthy by its Dark masters he is awarded, if you can call such an afront to humanity an award, with mutation. The Great Enemy has granted the Unsactioned Mutants gifts in the moment of conception!

Time over and over have proved that it is only a matter of time before mutants rise up against humanity. We need only to look at the Tranch war to see that I am right!

The Tolerant Laws of tranch made the war inevitable!

Esteemed lords and ladies, fellow Inquisitors, it is my opinion that in order to solve the mutant problem we first must define the meaning of the word mutant. Who exactly is a mutant, how far must an individual’s genome and physical attributes deviate from the accepted norm before his status as a mutant can be ascertained? Is any deviation from the sacred lineage of Terra enough for us to condemn and individual, or indeed an entire planetary population? My dear colleagues, the answer is a resounding no. You are surely aware of the fact, however unpleseant it might be to those of you with a puritanical bent, that within the Imperium there are many communities of so called abhumans, most of which are as loyal to our Immortal Lord as any and have served us well in the past, and dare I say, will continue to do so in the future as well. What these abhumans have in common is that they through the pressures of nature have changed over the millennia, yet their souls and spirit have remained untainted, and that is far more important than the state of their bodies, however vile they may seem in the eyes of those of purer blood. Yet, having said all this, there are of course many other situations which call for sterner measures, such as when a population of human descent has degenerated to such a state that their bodies, nor their spirit, is recognisably human any longer. In such cases their extermination must be sought with all available means, lest their taint spread to other, more worthy men.

As to the question regarding the difference between the mutant and the sick, personally I find this question to be somewhat foolish. Disease and the taint of mutation are two beasts of an entirely different nature, and such matters are better left to the Order Hospitaller and others who specialise in this particular field of endeavour.

Curing mutation, wheter the mutation in question is caused by the ruinous effects of the Immaterium or other more natural means, is usually a waste of his Majesty’s precious resources. If a particular breed of mutants are deemed to be unacceptable, of course after having been carefully studied and tested, then they shall be purged and their lands repopulated by loyal Imperial citizens, a practise which is common and usually successful.

The last query is also the one that is easiest to answer. A mutant tainted by the Ruinous powers are by their very nature impure, their souls stained beyond hope of salvation and redemption. There can be no other recourse but to purge them, without sympathy and without remorse.

Anonymus said:

The Tolerant Laws of tranch made the war inevitable!

Tranch was an exercise in mismanagement.. The Oligarchs favoured the heavy handed decrees of those who dedicate little time to their duties, purging the obvious and relatively benign elements of the mutant underclass while driving threatening individuals, those with cunning and unholy ambition, underground. There they nurtured resentment against the Imperium, a heretical task only facilitated by the ongoing purges. Once the culling was complete all that was left was an army of bitter, hardened and motivated mutants who cost the Imperium a productive planet and the lives of untold billions of faithful citizens. Perhaps if those responsible for the safety and prosperity of the Imperium had been gone about their duties on Tranch with wisdom and vigilance then it would be a prosperous world instead of the thrice-damned Hellhole it is today. And perhaps we would not also be dealing with an idealogical parasite that infects mutant populations throughout the sector and brings unrest and ruin where once before there was subjugation and prosperity.

We must all remember that simply being born of stunted height or dim of wit does not make one a dangerous purge-worthy mutant. A planetary populace can evolved over the millennia to be nearly blind visually, yet obtain heightened hearing, smell, taste to compensate that is no more of a change than a 'normal' imperial citizen augmenting the heck out of themselves with glandular upgrades and prosthetics. When we speak of mutants we are referring to TWISTS.

I am referring to people born with two heads, a mouth in their stomach, teeth growing from eye sockets and hands ending in tentacles instead of fingers. It is the obvious corruption of the human form. Ogryns, Ratlings and Squats are tollerated simply because they have a consistent physiology that is remarkably human at the basis. You could field a regiment of Ogryns and recognize each one individually as such. If one were to put the same several thousand mutants into a line you would be hard pressed to identify any common traits other than the fact that each one would be bizzare enough to make a grown man vomit.

The heresy of mutation is a stand alone segment of the corruption of the sacred human form. It matters not that a mutant is pure of mind or soul. All that matters is that they are a mutant. Their existence is an affront to all that the emperor fought for and dreamed of during his mobile life. He sought to push mankind to its up most potential without resorting to wielding ruinous powers, accepting alien interference or altering ourselves beyond the point of being human.

Mutation is the most tolerated of the corruptive forces at work in the galaxy. If you doubt this you need look no further than the underhives and forge worlds where these monstrosities toil endlessly and are allowed to breathe Imperial air and continue to have another day in the Emperor's protective embrace. You could even make the argument that the allowed existence of these freaks denies the truly downtrodden underhive scum from honest work. If a mutant will work for free just to live, why would a corporation resort to employing a workforce? And if a mutant ever misteps or has the audacity to ask for more or better treatment...they are to be purged where they stand with fire and sermon lest their filth spread.

Is it fair? No. But then again nothing in the galaxy of the 41st millennium is fair. Entire worlds full of inocent men, women and children are virus bombed in order to stop corruption from spreading due to chaos or xenos infestation. Pitty for mutants is a deplorable weakness indeed. If you do not have the mettle to purge what must be cleansed then perhaps you would be better off slumbering your life away on a pleasure world and dancing a curvy smile-girl/boy on your knee instead of serving another standard day in the Inquisition.

"Innocence proves nothing."

"There is no peace amongst the stars, only an eternity of carnage and slaughter and the laughter of thirsting gods."

Now hand me my flamer!

Snidesworth said:

To brand every mutant equal in threat to the Imperium is folly. To see homogeny of thought among those who, by the their very nature, are different from one another is the mark of one possessing inelegant thought and a shocking lack of discretion. For every mutant who takes up arms against the righteous there is another who toils away, seeking redemption for his soul and, in doing so, benefits the Imperium. We tolerate the sanctionate while we strike down the wytch. Would you have us put all those with the psyker taint to the flame as well?

What's next? The preaching of the tolerance of the Xenos Tau and Eldar because they're not so bad as the Necrons and the Tyranids and they can be redemed and used for the benefit of the Imperium? Do we say that the followers of the so called Blood God be allowed to live as long as they fight orcs?

Where do we draw the line? Where do we say this is right and this is wrong?

The line is simple Brothers and Sisters. It has already been drawn. The Emperor himself drew that line.

Are we so full of hubris, so full of ourselves that we think we are better then the Emperor? Do we think we have the right to reinterprate His will? Did the Emperor ever say "let not the mutant live except for the nice ones, they're okay as long as they work for me?"

No, no He did not, so what gives us the right to quantify His will and His word for our own betterment?

Xathess Wolfe said:

What's next? The preaching of the tolerance of the Xenos Tau and Eldar because they're not so bad as the Necrons and the Tyranids and they can be redemed and used for the benefit of the Imperium? Do we say that the followers of the so called Blood God be allowed to live as long as they fight orcs?

Where do we draw the line? Where do we say this is right and this is wrong?

The line is simple Brothers and Sisters. It has already been drawn. The Emperor himself drew that line.

Are we so full of hubris, so full of ourselves that we think we are better then the Emperor? Do we think we have the right to reinterprate His will? Did the Emperor ever say "let not the mutant live except for the nice ones, they're okay as long as they work for me?"

No, no He did not, so what gives us the right to quantify His will and His word for our own betterment?

Please. I would expect such hyperbole from a low-hive lay preacher, not a man with true power and responsibility. I could spend all day recounting the multitude of reforms, schisms and petty wars that lie at the feet of the Ministorum. The Emperor's word has been reinterpreted, altered and bastardised innumerable times over the course of millennia past to suit the needs of whatever ambitious cardinal or zealous preacher saw fit to invoke his name. I make no foolish claim to know the Emperor's word, but I see his Will made manifest in the countless worlds of his Imperium. It is by divine right that we rule the stars, and no silver-tongued priest can conceal that the prosperity of humanity is what He wishes. While I am sure you have nothing but the best intentions you also possess a shocking lack of wisdom. There is a time and place for swift and decisive action, as there is one for careful manipulation and surgical precision. To believe otherwise, and act accordingly, is to **** the Imperium to decay and ruin, an achievement I am sure you will be lauded for when your soul departs your body and presents itself before the Emperor.

Snidesworth said:

Please. I would expect such hyperbole from a low-hive lay preacher, not a man with true power and responsibility. I could spend all day recounting the multitude of reforms, schisms and petty wars that lie at the feet of the Ministorum. The Emperor's word has been reinterpreted, altered and bastardised innumerable times over the course of millennia past to suit the needs of whatever ambitious cardinal or zealous preacher saw fit to invoke his name. I make no foolish claim to know the Emperor's word, but I see his Will made manifest in the countless worlds of his Imperium. It is by divine right that we rule the stars, and no silver-tongued priest can conceal that the prosperity of humanity is what He wishes. While I am sure you have nothing but the best intentions you also possess a shocking lack of wisdom. There is a time and place for swift and decisive action, as there is one for careful manipulation and surgical precision. To believe otherwise, and act accordingly, is to **** the Imperium to decay and ruin, an achievement I am sure you will be lauded for when your soul departs your body and presents itself before the Emperor.

You speak like the low-hive lay preacher is an ignorant man, speaking of things he knows nothing of. I say the low-hive lay preacher may be closer to the true Word of the Emperor, because unlike some here in this forum ((OOC: As in Roman Forum not internet forum)) he only speaks simple Word, unaltered by personal ambition and interpretation. He simply speaks what the Emperor says, and does not try and twist so that he can advance, because he knows there is no advancement for him, but he sees only the true Light of the Emperor, and his love for Humanity.

I will agree that Man, all Men, harbor sentiments detrimental to the Imperium, for none of us are as strong as the Emperor. I agree that the Emperor's word has been altered and bastardized by the weak and immoral for their own personal gain, as seen most strongly during the Age of Apostasy, a time where only one man, Sebastian Thor, in his unwaivering belief in the Emperor and his Word, was able to end such decadence and apostasy.

I will also agree with your point that the Emperor's Will is made manifest in His Imperium, and in His love, He wishes nothing more then the betterment of humanity. I will also agree that there are times where a bolt pistol is the answer, and in others where a slow torturous death is more advantageous to the Mutant and the Heretic.

But to claim that its okay to let certain Mutants live, against the Emperor's direct Word, is damning as being a Mutant itself.

Do you honestly think the Arch-Heretic Goge Vandire, made his powergrab by following the word of the Emperor? No he Mutated the very Words of the Emperor to cause the worst case possible for Humanity. It was his folly to think that he knew better how to interprete the Emperor then anyone else, that his interpretation was the only one able to stop the Imperium from decay and ruin, and he was proven in the end a heretic?

Why because Sebastian Thor proved that the Emperor's Word needs no interpretion, no caveat to save humanity. The Emperor's Word is Pure, it is Law, and it is what we should be following. We are not as knowledable, nor as strong as the Emperor, so we can not say we know His will. We can only obey His law, His word, to the letter, for do anything else is to walk the same path as countless heretics, such as Goge Vandire. Once we begin to stray from the Word of the Emperor, once we begin to think we know how to best reinterprate the Word and that there is some kind of measure within the Word that we need to follow in order to prevent decay and ruin to the Imperium, be begin the dangerous walk into Heresy.

Will you sit here and say that the Emperor's word is not enough? Will you say that the Emperor did not plan for this day? Will you say that the Emperor's word needs exceptions to it, because it doesn't encompass all the true needs to the Imperium?

Is that what you say? That his Word needs exceptions to it, and that to believe that the Emperor's Word is not the final authority?

Your claim that Sebastian Thor did not reinterpret the Emperor's Word is laughable. This is not to say he was wrong in doing so; the pre-Thorian Ministorum was a bloated and selfish entity, but it had been as many long millennia before Thor raised his armies of the faith. All the same, Thor followed what he believed was the Emperor's word. The Emperor's recorded word, if it even exists in an unaltered form, can be found etched onto the parchment of the most ancient Rogue Trader charters or on documents sealed away in stasis fields and buried deep beneath the surface of Terra, both far beyond the the authority you or I posses to access. If we lauded each and every man based on how zealously he enforced what he believed to be the Emperor's word then we would be raising members of the Red Redemption to sanctioned priests, cardinals and, Emperor forbid, the position of the Ecclesiarch himself. Ignorance and zeal are the tool of those whose only purpose is to fling themselves into battle, not men whose purpose is to safeguard the future of the sector. Or perhaps we should put entire planets to the flame? Surely the Emperor will sort out the righteous from the sinners.

You place too much value upon the words of men, mistaking them for the words of the God-Emperor. If his exact word was known then the Ministorum would not be a fractured, bickering thing in which different cults rise and fall in popularity, each promoting their own variant of the Imperial Creed. If his word was known then the treatment of mutants would be uniform across the thousands of worlds which compose our great Imperium. If his word was known then I would bow my head and obey, but we have no such luxury. Either we can delude ourselves into believing that He speaks to us and commands us directly or we can exercise some sense and look to his great works and endevour to preserve and propogate them. The correct use of the mutant underclass is a subject of debate. Whether the Imperium should prosper or fall is not.

Ah the back and forth betwixt the puritan and the radical...Holding the word of the Imperial Creed as unbreakable vs creative interpretation for the 'good' of the Imperium.

An acolyte's directives are focused visa vie his or her Inquisitor. This may or may not include the doctrine of eradication of mutants. Most of the time the summoning of dark powers or activating of ancient xenos technology is much more catastrophic than a twist stripper in the underhive with eyes on her goodies. It does not change the fact that mutation itself is heresy by any interpretation or reading of the Emperor's law.

The real discussion here seems to be whether or not all heresy is equal or if there is a hierarchy. I would posit that a more puritanical monodominant view would place all heresy on equal footing when it comes down to justifying inquisitorial actions, and that a more amalathian or radical view would place a ordering of heresy as best interpretted to benefit the Imperium and its interests (status quo as it were).

Callidon said:

Ah the back and forth betwixt the puritan and the radical...Holding the word of the Imperial Creed as unbreakable vs creative interpretation for the 'good' of the Imperium.

An acolyte's directives are focused visa vie his or her Inquisitor. This may or may not include the doctrine of eradication of mutants. Most of the time the summoning of dark powers or activating of ancient xenos technology is much more catastrophic than a twist stripper in the underhive with eyes on her goodies. It does not change the fact that mutation itself is heresy by any interpretation or reading of the Emperor's law.

The real discussion here seems to be whether or not all heresy is equal or if there is a hierarchy. I would posit that a more puritanical monodominant view would place all heresy on equal footing when it comes down to justifying inquisitorial actions, and that a more amalathian or radical view would place a ordering of heresy as best interpretted to benefit the Imperium and its interests (status quo as it were).

The mutant problem is a complicated one. As I have stated previously, they are heretical entities best put to use as hard labour in environment unsuitable for even the lowliest dross-serf. Through such penitence they might earn salvation for their souls and should be made readily aware of this. Too often has a mutant population served as the breeding grounds for greater heresy, that which warrents the purging flames of His Servant-Militants, and these events come about time and time again because they have been pushed to a breaking point by short-sighted administrations. We shall not avert the another Tranch by attempting to exterminate every mutant in existence; such projects only remove the weak and subservient while embittering and strengthening those with the cunning to survive and disposition to seek retribution, and that is to say nothing of the detrimental effect on the world's economy. The Second Tranch will be averted by careful manipulation of the mutant underclass and the surgical removal of agitative elements within it.

Snidesworth said:

The mutant problem is a complicated one. As I have stated previously, they are heretical entities best put to use as hard labour in environment unsuitable for even the lowliest dross-serf. Through such penitence they might earn salvation for their souls and should be made readily aware of this. Too often has a mutant population served as the breeding grounds for greater heresy, that which warrents the purging flames of His Servant-Militants, and these events come about time and time again because they have been pushed to a breaking point by short-sighted administrations. We shall not avert the another Tranch by attempting to exterminate every mutant in existence; such projects only remove the weak and subservient while embittering and strengthening those with the cunning to survive and disposition to seek retribution, and that is to say nothing of the detrimental effect on the world's economy. The Second Tranch will be averted by careful manipulation of the mutant underclass and the surgical removal of agitative elements within it.

I love that a debate can arrise around the means to the Imperium's ends. If you look at both sides of the argument everyone agrees that there is no love lost between humans and mutants, but the interesting rub to me is in how people believe we should handle the less than savory problem of mutants in society. There are true and present flaws in both camps.

The unbending side of the coin would create more problems with the backlash from an opressed underclass if any real type of genocidal/hardline action were to take place and woe be unto the Imperium should someone decide the Navis Nobilite were purge-worthy. Then if you look at the careful manipulation side you could potentially create a haven for corruption to hide amongst the mutated masses.

I personally think that ample doses of both behaviors are needed in the Calixis sector. For one it keeps the foes of mankind on the wrong foot if they never know what action the inquisition will take in matters. For another it provides an outlet for all the factions of the Inquisition to behave according to their version of the mission statement while serving to avoid more direct conflicts within the ordos themselves.

Snidesworth said:


Your claim that Sebastian Thor did not reinterpret the Emperor's Word is laughable. This is not to say he was wrong in doing so; the pre-Thorian Ministorum was a bloated and selfish entity, but it had been as many long millennia before Thor raised his armies of the faith. All the same, Thor followed what he believed was the Emperor's word. The Emperor's recorded word, if it even exists in an unaltered form, can be found etched onto the parchment of the most ancient Rogue Trader charters or on documents sealed away in stasis fields and buried deep beneath the surface of Terra, both far beyond the the authority you or I posses to access. If we lauded each and every man based on how zealously he enforced what he believed to be the Emperor's word then we would be raising members of the Red Redemption to sanctioned priests, cardinals and, Emperor forbid, the position of the Ecclesiarch himself. Ignorance and zeal are the tool of those whose only purpose is to fling themselves into battle, not men whose purpose is to safeguard the future of the sector. Or perhaps we should put entire planets to the flame? Surely the Emperor will sort out the righteous from the sinners.

You place too much value upon the words of men, mistaking them for the words of the God-Emperor. If his exact word was known then the Ministorum would not be a fractured, bickering thing in which different cults rise and fall in popularity, each promoting their own variant of the Imperial Creed. If his word was known then the treatment of mutants would be uniform across the thousands of worlds which compose our great Imperium. If his word was known then I would bow my head and obey, but we have no such luxury. Either we can delude ourselves into believing that He speaks to us and commands us directly or we can exercise some sense and look to his great works and endevour to preserve and propogate them. The correct use of the mutant underclass is a subject of debate. Whether the Imperium should prosper or fall is not.

Again you confuse the word of the Emperor, with the word of Man. You would dare say that the Emperor would allow the Mutant to live? Then you would also say that the Beasts of Chaos and the Xenos should live as well? Are there exceptions to every rule in your book?

Let me guess, the Emperor isn't a God either in your mind, because it doesn't say on any paper that he is so, and his Divinity is simply the interpretations of Man for God, and therefore open to debate?

There is one.. ONE... creature in existance whose word should not be interpretted, but taken at face value. That Word is simply the Words spoken by the Emperor. All other creatures should be concidered suspect, no matter how high in rank. You have issues with the Ecclesiarchy, and that I can accept, for what is the Ecclesiarchy but a mortal institution, and therefore weak.

The Emperor saw, that man was weak, and not as pure as He was. He saw that they needed someone to watch over them, to ensure their purity, and hence why we, the Inquisition are in existance. But that purity that he saw is not open to debate, no matter how much your mortal mind would like.

That purity was laid down by the Emperor himself, while He still walked amongst us. That purity was to not let the Heretic, Mutant, Xenos, or Chaos to live. It was a simply charge, and only man, in his incredibally stupid weakness, could make it as difficult as it is now, with its "degrees or mutation" and "what's a human".

The charge was simple... simply... Let not the Mutant live. Man in his weakness has of course corrupted that simple charge. It is the Inquisition's job to keep man strong. Unfortunatly its now obvious that the Inquisition is not immune to the same weakness that the Emperor charged us in rooting out.

Many members of the Inquisition strive for power and influence within and without the holy ordos. Uprooting gene-stealer cult activity, burning unleashed daemons and tracking down arch-heretics has a much more glorious draw to the efforts of the Inquisition than mutant mop-up duty. The ministratum and ministorum of any given world can surely handle the simple task of providing enough bullets to solve their mutant population problem. However, this willful ignorance assumes that every member of the empire's ruling authority is free of weakness and corruption. All you need do is look to the darkest pits of any hive or forge world to see the teaming masses of horrific mutants.

It would be interesting, then, to have an Inquisitor that devoted their entire existence to purging mutants. They would be acting within the limits of the stated purpose of the Divisio Inquisitorum, so the inevitable wake of disturbed economies and collateral damage could be justified. In doing this they could also expose the weak and corrupt nobility and other ranking members within the imperial government that relied upon and harbored mutants that could be taken down by their forces or those of other inquisitors. An inquisitor that was in it for the cause rather than their own recognition and reputation mongering would be an interesting animal indeed.

Your ideas about a solution is really well planned... but i would like to add that it is not a job for one of us but for a group of us. The Calixis Sector is a big sesspit of corruption, one induvidiual is not enough.

Could the Solution be A Cabal of some sort?

Should a group of Inquisitors work together to gather clues and combining efforts to eradicate Mutant threats?

An extremely ancient saying is "Power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts Absolutly."

Only He who sits on the Golden Throne is resistant to the corruption of power, but then he's a god.

The issue of letting the Mutant live only brings to light the most basic of issues within the Imperium. The biggest problem is, man is weak without the Emperor. Man is a selfish creature, willing to sell its soul for an inkling of power, and only through our Faith in the Emperor can we resist such weakness.

A cabal of Inquisitors would be no different, for we have Ordo Xenos Inquisitors who don't kill Xenos, Ordo Hereticus and Malleus Inquisitors who don't kill Heretics and Chaos. Even worse, not only do they not do their job as mandated by the Emperor, but they actively consort with Xenos and Heretics and Chaos, claiming that this abominable situation of consorting with the Enemies of the Imperium, somehow strengthens the Imperium.

But it comes from the weakness of man. None of us, not a single one of us, has the fortitude of the Emperor, and some of us are weaker in spirit then others. Temptation is all around, and in moments of weakness may we forget the Emperor's words, and go our own way. Sometimes it works for us, and it just feeds our weakness, for we feel that if it worked once, it will work again and again and that we don't need the Emperor's Guidance, for in our hubris we know the Emperor's Will better then any other.

It always starts small, a moment of compasion. We let one Mutant child live, just one. We justify it in our minds, it was only a child, it can be put to use for the Imperium, its only one Mutant. We think we're doing the best thing for humanity and the Imperium. And yet, that child grows up, and leads its people against the Imperium on Tranch, killing hundreds and thousands of the Faithful, all because of a moment of weakness.

Then we justify it, saying that it wasn't our fault, it was those on Tranch, or any hundreds of worlds that use Mutants. They should have been more strict, they should have been more compassionate. But our moment of compassion, our moment of weakness of turning away from the Will of the Emperor "for the betterment of humanity and the Imperium" shows us that time and time again the only in strength, obiediance, and faith to the Emperor shall humanity survive.

Only by destroying the Mutant, the Heretic, the Witch, the forces of Chaos, without compassion, without any form of "what's best for humanity", only then shall we win.

For the Emperor has stated what is the best for the Imperium, and what is best for the Imperium, is a strong humanity, and the complete absence of Mutants and Heretics and other undesirables.

The Emperor says kill them all, and we should.

Do not let weakness of compassion cloud your minds, or the weakness of interpretation. Do not think that the best for humanity is to enslave the enemy, or letting one live. The best for humanity, the best for the Imperium, is to do as the Emperor says, and destroy them all.

Just to bring it back to the Original questions put forth by Ignato

Senior Cardinal Ignato said:


What are your feelings to the mutated?

Is there an unseen line dividing the mutated from the sick?

Should we try and cure these mutations or strike them down for fear of spreading?


What defines a mutant from that of a corrupted soul led by a Ruinous Power?

They need to be culled from the proverbial human herd.

The line between in the case of exposure mutation sicknesses and bred mutation...well... corrupted DNA is corrupted DNA.

A worker that becomes sick with a genetic defect due to exposure to the myriad of hazardous situations placed upon the menial laborers in the Imperium is at the mercy of local planetary/system laws. The going trend is that human lives are a readily available resource so said worker would simply be laid off, given a hocus-pocus cure by the ministorum, or killed. It is much easier to replace a citizen that has become sick with the billion other available workers than to sign them up for gene therapy. A mutant that is produced via breeding should never be tended to medically anywhere because their existence is heresy and the truly humane thing to do would be mutant-infanticide. The wealthy are very rarely exposed to anything dangerous and if they were and had damaged DNA they would be able to afford a treatment.

A mutant contains aberant DNA that manifests in ACUTE physical deformity. I'm not talking albinism and cystic fibrosis...i'm talking mouths on your hands and a living vestigial twin growing out of your spine. Mutation is distinct in that it is its OWN form of heresy...it doesn't have to have anything to do with chaos or ruinous powers to be wrong. Mutation is a vile heresy in and of ITSELF.

-small caveat- Female mutants with multiple mammary organs can be shipped to my personal address and I will see to it that they are punished for their crime of impurity.