I need to buy a PDF of Edge of the Empire, is there one already? If not is there going to be one.

I need to buy a PDF of Edge of the Empire, is there one already? If not is there going to be one.

Sorry, there is no PDF and there probably won't be.

It is believed that Disney won't allow for pdfs to be created. As I understand it they are considered to be a form of electronic media, and thus under a different license than books.

Unfortunately, no PDFs for the forseable future.

If you'd like more details, please follow this link to one of the latest thread on this topic.

It is believed that Disney won't allow for pdfs to be created. As I understand it they are considered to be a form of electronic media, and thus under a different license than books.

To further clarify, this was a Lucasfilm thing since before the Disney buyout (before people misdirect their rage). This is why the WotC Saga Edition books never had official PDF releases, either.

Rikoshi is correct, this has been a Thing for several years now and is not an issue exclusive to FFG.

Between this forum and the beta one, this is post number 50 with same topic, quickly followed in number by the "What no Jedi?" posts. :-)

Between this forum and the beta one, this is post number 50 with same topic, quickly followed in number by the "What no Jedi?" posts. :-)

Internetting is hard. See ya next pdf/jedi post! o/

What there is no jedi?

(just kidding)

These threads are important to keep the pressure on to change things in the future.

It's so sad that business people don't act on reason but fear.

Fear leads to anger.

Anger leads to hate.

Hate leads to ... suffering ...

*sigh*

These threads are important to keep the pressure on to change things in the future.

There's nothing FFG can really do about it, it's standard policy by LucasArts (see Saga Edition). It's because paid-for RPG PDFs count as electronic games, and that isn't covered by the licence for the RPGs, it'd be covered by the computer game licence.

If you want change, you'll have to talk to LucasArts/Disney.

These threads are important to keep the pressure on to change things in the future.

There's nothing FFG can really do about it, it's standard policy by LucasArts (see Saga Edition). It's because paid-for RPG PDFs count as electronic games, and that isn't covered by the licence for the RPGs, it'd be covered by the computer game licence.

If you want change, you'll have to talk to LucasArts/Disney.

Of course there is something that FFG can do. They can continue to have the PDF discussion with LFL (which I assume they are) and the continual stream of requests for PDFs provides ammo for FFG to use in these discussions.

It may be a standard policy for LFL but they are under new management these days. Things can and will change.

I think that it's anyway better to put down your thoughts about the PDF angst somewhere.

Whoever takes up the discussion can point to this (or countless other forums) and show the public opinion.

It's not as if only FFG employees can read posts here ...

These threads are important to keep the pressure on to change things in the future.

There's nothing FFG can really do about it, it's standard policy by LucasArts (see Saga Edition). It's because paid-for RPG PDFs count as electronic games, and that isn't covered by the licence for the RPGs, it'd be covered by the computer game licence.

If you want change, you'll have to talk to LucasArts/Disney.

Of course there is something that FFG can do. They can continue to have the PDF discussion with LFL (which I assume they are) and the continual stream of requests for PDFs provides ammo for FFG to use in these discussions.

It may be a standard policy for LFL but they are under new management these days. Things can and will change.

Except that none of that ever change LucasArts views on it with Saga, and WotC are a fair sight bigger, financially, than FFG.

FFG can ask all they want, but if it comes to them having to pay extraordinary amounts, just to be able to release the PDF, it's not just something they can agree to on a whim, and might not even be able to afford, if the PDF would come under the licence for electronic games (such as computer games).

Either way, it was said on the Order 66 podcast that there won't be developments on this for a while, so currently, at least, there are no plans for a PDF in the foreseeable future.

Different people make different decisions sometimes.

None of us know the state of he PDF issue outside of nothing has been announced. They could be working on a new deal now. They could be wiing for other deals to expire before revisiting the issue. Maybe it will never happen. We just don't know.

I posted this as a question to be asked of Steve Horvath over on the d20 Radio boards in the hope of getting an official word.

I've not listened to that episode (no, honestly I haven't had the time to do so yet), so I don't know if Chris/Dave were able to ask that question or if Steve was able to give a response.

It was asked and after a long pause Steve said something like he didn't have any news on the issue.

Different people make different decisions sometimes.

None of us know the state of he PDF issue outside of nothing has been announced. They could be working on a new deal now. They could be wiing for other deals to expire before revisiting the issue. Maybe it will never happen. We just don't know.

Except, as I said in the post above yours, it was said in the Order 66 podcast that there will be no news on PDFs soon, so I imagine we can take from that that they aren't working on a new deal, or any such negotiation by FFG was rebuffed or postponed for the immediate future.

Certainly, Steve didn't sound hopeful on the subject, and gave no reason to be hopeful about it any time soon.

Steve can't say anything about PDFs until FFG is ready to announce it (assuming there is anything to announce). The answer he gave wasn't important. The question being asked is important.

Steve can't say anything about PDFs until FFG is ready to announce it (assuming there is anything to announce). The answer he gave wasn't important. The question being asked is important.

And when they can give an answer, they'll give it.

Constantly pitching a hissy fit over this issue when it's pretty **** clear that FFG is well aware of the customer base wanting PDFs accomplishes absolutely nothing.

Re-negotiating a contract can take several months. So it's not like threads like this whining about "I want PDFs of these books!" isn't going to change anything.

If I were FFG I would want as much ammo as possible when raising this topic with LFL.

FFG chose to except a deal that didn't include PDFs so they have to deal with it. However, I am not saying they did the wrong thing.

FFG chose to except a deal that didn't include PDFs so they have to deal with it. However, I am not saying they did the wrong thing.

WotC took the exact same deal, and had the exact same problems throughout their entire run, from OCR all the way up to the end of Saga Edition.

For FFG, it may have come down to "do we take the licensing deal with no options for PDFs, or do we pass on one of the hotter licensed properties on the market?" Given how many other companies were chomping at the bit to snag the license once WotC announced they no longer had it, it'd call that a pretty easy question to answer.

But again, constantly bitching and belly-aching serves no purpose other than to clutter up the forum with useless noise.

When the answer changes, FFG will let us know. They were pretty **** quick to let the community know that the core rulebook was going to be delayed to the first week of July, so I'd be surprised if they didn't post a huge news announcement should they get the approval to start selling PDFs.

As for market demand, they know, as they've undoubtedly done plenty of market research that goes well beyond a few folks belly-aching on a message board about the current lack of PDFs of the core rulebooks.

I'm honestly not sure I could say it any better, Donovan, though I'd add that I believe Lucas Arts have never allowed paid-for PDFs of any of their RPG properties, even before Saga Edition. It appears to have never been on the table.

I'm honestly not sure I could say it any better, Donovan, though I'd add that I believe Lucas Arts have never allowed paid-for PDFs of any of their RPG properties, even before Saga Edition. It appears to have never been on the table.

That's due more to Lucasfilm as an entity considering PDFs to fall under "electronic entertainment media" and thus be a purview of LucasArts. I'm sure both WotC and FFG tried every counter-argument they could muster to convince Lucasilm Licensing otherwise, but obviously to no avail. As mentioned in one of these threads (too **** many of them), the only reason that WotC was able to offer any PDF support on their webpage (and FFG likely the same) was through a contractual loophole that declared those free PDFs to be "support material for the physical copies of the RPG products."