Now i'm probably not the person to be creating a tech talk thread. I'm not that great a UFS-player, however, I have devoted myself to playing one symbol 90% of the time - Fire.

I miss absurd strength. I miss clones.
I miss promo elena and adon.

I don't know what will become of my beloved Fire symbol, but I am grateful to hear that Martial Arts Champion and Mark of the Beast will make a return. Right now i'm still giving Fire my all, there are still some viable/fun options. Alex3, Akuma6, Elena2, Kazuki3, Talim4, Leona2. I need to get my hands on Temujin! I do appreciate running 4 Blinding Rage, 4 Makai High Noble, 4 Owlface and 4 Commitment to Excellence (In certain decks). 6 checks are delicious <3

What are your thoughts on Fire? I don't expect too much from this thread till the new sets are released and hopefully there's something there to bring back fire aggro.

the main problem with fire that we have is this, fire has super awesome cards, it's just that they are all 4 checks. I'm taking about cards like manifest destiny, no memories, amy's assistance, and mac. there are some cards that are underused that I would personally use such as savage fighter, the + 5 damage boost when you have more then 3 attacks in your card pool. Otherwise it really doesn't fit my style for aggro as I would rather use water or air to attack people. I really do miss absurd strenght and I wouldn't mind seeing chain throw again as that is what the meta needs, some retarded attacks to get around the grey wars we are currently seeing.

You know I thought of Chain Throw but didn't want to bring it up, because I figured it wouldn't see the light of day. Takes me back to all those scary evil deck days. Yes, Fire could definitely use Chain Throw <3 .....buuut I don't see it happening T-T

A couple Fire characters you may not have thought've but are good:

Promo Guy

and

2.Yang

Speed hacks with Damage pump, ftw!

With Promo Guy, you can mix in some amazing Fire/Order cards for subtle Control-elements a la Experienced Combatant, and the aforementioned Amy's Assistance.

With 2.Yang, you never fear being Rejected again! Or, any other effect that would reduce the damage of your attack, for that matter.

Also, ::Blanka:: makes you get ridiculous momentum. I'm serious. It's not even funny.

Fire is a contender, the problem is more in Character support than anything else, I've found.

Ah I remember that Yang <3
Yeah gives a boost equal to difficulty of a foundation. Maybe I have some threes and fours in there. But i'd rather not commit bitter rivals or no memories. Anti rejection is sweet

Guy is pretty cool. Might be useful against feline spikers n what not.

I am working on that new blanka now hehe

For me in Block three Fire's money card is Ira- SPinta... the card is just too good.

However using it means its more risky to use Melancholic as a finisher and you cant use Spinning Beat either unless your stocked with more attacks so fire has a bit of a hard time killing

IMO Fire has a lot of above average cards but no great ones to link them all together at the moment. But I still like doing my fire beats

Use fire akuma with a new low, and you got your own little mini fire chunners. Ira Spinta + first e on your opponent's turn? Thank you sir, may I have another?

Umm are we forgetting zi mei has fire. She offers fire commital which it really dosn't have, other than manifest which dosn't always work so well. She also has that really lovely damage pump backed by a 7hs.

tannerface said:

Other than Manifest which screams "USE ME WITH ZI MEI AND COMMIT MOAR STUFF!", Amy's Assistance which commits assets, etc. etc.

Genocide is one of my favorite cards to run right now.

When your deck is a 6 check machine (Lynettes, Owl Face, Commitment to Excellence, Makai High Noble, Blinding Rage) you can just aggro their BACKFIELD into submission and hard check a few more attacks the next turn FTW.

Archimedes said:

Genocide doesn't have fire *hiss* Kidding Who do you play Genocide with?

I tried akuma with a new low. I cc hacked at a blood runs true and saw my opponent play destiny AND red lotus </3

Archimedes said:

And it's not like Fire really lacks 6 checks. Or low-check high-out put attacks. Or really, anything.

Homme Chapeau said:

However, like Shajir mentioned, a lot of good foundations are 4 checks. The deck would weigh on 4 and 6 checks and quite frankly I don't know if that counts as a 5 average

Are we in agreement that Ira Spinta is the best attack fire currently has? Some other contenders I can think of are Spinning Beat, Melancholy, Reverse Flayer?

iSpin is possibly the best attack around at the moment (screw Spike).

Tiger Fury, Melancholic, RevFlayer...these are also acceptable.

Don't forget PERSONAL STYLE

MegaGeese said:

Forgot about Tiger Fury.

Hehe Personal Style works with iSpin, nice.

Gaishiki Lunar Rebellion ought not be forgotten. If only for the reason that it screws over assets, it's free, and seriously due to that E the 2CC pays for itself.

Homme Chapeau said:

Ah right! Delicious +6 damage from Owlface. Does Lynette's count if it copied a foundation?

It's now a matter of how many 2 checks we can run. Considering we have lots of 4s and 6s, the majority of good attacks are 2cc >_<

lunar rebellion the other attack in my akuma fire/hell deck, it can't hit a lynette's thats copied a foundation though however the + 6 vs the owl and the making of seals usless =

+ it eats reanimated for breakfast

I have a fire alex deck that has a good match against chun li srtuggles against order but I hope that changes next set.

Also, come Set 12, Cleansing Nirvana will be actually, y'know, GOOD.

Fire does have what i would consider to be a pretty sexy way to kill a person and stay alive at the same exact time:

Adoration
Admiration
KFT
Empires Ruin

Single Wing Slam

The only thing is that you need a way to burn yourself to make it happen, otherwise you have to wait to get hit...

Protoaddict said:

Edited for T2K shenanigans...Throw in Unrequited Love and Deceptive Look (until new set release), and you got a winner!!!

Origins Unknown could make a pretty speed pump, run a Earth/Fire character, Amy's, Tae Kwon Do Zephyr, Blinding Rage, additional copies of itself, Personal Style, King of Fighers 06, Strenuous Training (+4dmg isn't bad at all)... this deck could be delightfully janky.

An Earth/Fire deck could definitely work, and would allow you splash Chaos Flare, Distractible, other goodies... or Yang, that'd work too.

sir_shajir said:

It's not more than 3; it's 3 or more ^_~

Pretty much everybody here has hit on what I've always said about Fire. However, a lot of people have neglected some things...

Talim - If anybody has ever built Talim, you know that your opponent WILL take printed damage. Although I've yet to build her off Fire, her ability, in conjunction Wind Dance, makes it so that your attacks are, for the most part, unblockable (I have yet to face an opponent who blocked anything my Talim threw at them). I'm assuming the same holds true for Adon, especially since Wind Dance only furthered his cause.

Wind Storm - Remember that ultra rare everybody wanted, yet nobody used, and I kept saying it wouldn't see play due to its symbols? Yeah, well, it's an awesome card, and Fire has all the right speed pumps to push it through.

Drifter - Although my days of reversing with Flowing Gale Hook are over (and by reversing with one FGH, it meant I reversed with another lol), Drifter will always be that "if I can abuse it then Hell I will!" kinda card. I can't think of too many amazing uses (reversing on Defender with Gashiki is fun as Hell I'd wager), but there will be in time, mark my words.

Fire needs to do more than just speed and damage pump. Seriously, all this talk about 4 checks is true, BUT, I think the meat of the discussion isn't its crappy checks; it's the fact that it's hardly even a one-trick pony! It seriously has very little outside of speed and damage pumps. I mean, crap, just look at last set: Elena, Kazuki, T Hawk. Notice something? Yeah, speed and damage pumps, exactly.

If you want a stupid Fire deck, you're going to need Akuma, and as we all know, Akuma sports the pitchfork. Nevertheless, load your deck with A New Low, Ira Spinta, and Seclusion, and you've already got a blazing-hot nightmare that only Akuma can do (although obviously, anybody can Drifter with Ira, it's just, Akuma TOTALLY messes up one's turn with a hax + reverse iSpin)