Marksmanship - Can You choose to change Eye results to Hit results only?

By Miko, in X-Wing Rules Questions

Marksmanship
Action: When attacking this round, you may change 1 of your Focus results to a Critical Hit result and all your other Focus results to Hit results.


So can You change Eyes to hits only, if You don't want to Crit?

I read it as yes. "You may" implies you don't have to if you don't want to. I think it is in the rulebook somewhere, but I don't know where exactly.

Roll: (eye) (eye) (eye)

You may change 1 (eye) to a crit, but choose not to. You may then change all the remaining (eyes) (3 of them) to hits.

In this case it really depends on where the implied parenthesis are:

You may (change one [eyeball] to [crit] and all other [eyeball] to [hit])

vs

You may change (one [eyebal to crit]) and (all other [eyeball] to [hit]).

Basically, you can read the two as linked. The may is optional, but if you're changing all other to hits you must have also changed one to a crit. Or you could potentially read them as unlinked. That is, you may do A and you may do B, but they're independent of each other. For what it's worth, I'd tend to read the "all other" part of the phrase as linking the two, meaning that if you choose to apply the effect you will get a crit result out of it.

Holy crap, sometimes it sound like a 40K tournament around here cangrejo

I'd say you may change one eyeball to a crit and otehrs to hit or you may do nothing at all and keep your roll.


I'm more twords dbmeboy statment, and I'm not happy about it.




My question gets from this that i had 2 tournament in which Houlraner with Determination discarded 2 crits. I would to prefere to have normal hits, not crits while firing at him :)

Exactly what nimdabew said.

If it says you may change, it doesn't mean you have to.

Just don't change it to a crit then change all other focus results (all of them now) to normal hits.

Nice work around on the crit removing abilities. :-)

Miko said:

I'm more twords dbmeboy statment, and I'm not happy about it.

My question gets from this that i had 2 tournament in which Houlraner with Determination discarded 2 crits. I would to prefere to have normal hits, not crits while firing at him :)

Easy workaround for that problem: take a focus action instead of Marksmanship when you think that you might fire at a ship with Determination and don't want the crit.

Focus isn't a good solution if You have Han and Gunner.

I would agree with dbmeboy, and will add another reason to arrive at the same interpretation.

If you apply the "may" only to the critical portion, then the hit portion has no "may", meaning it's mandatory. It's possible that's what it's supposed to be, but I consider it highly unlikely. The only mandatory dice change effect we have at the moment is the HLC, and it's very clearly worded to indicate that.

Miko, can you explain why focus isn't a good option with Han and gunner? Or anyone else for that matter explain it. I'm a new player looking to just expand their knowledge

Focus can be used only once, and Han can potentially roll 4 times on attack during one turn (1 attack, reroll, 2 attack [gunner], reroll).
Marksmanship is not a token, it can’t be spend. its persistent ability that is in effect whole turn, so you can use it in all 4 rolls.

Thanks for the knowledge,

Just to play out a scenario where that would be necessary:

-Action, Marksmanship

Attack phase:

-Han rolls, doesn't like it

-Han rerolls: 2 focus icons and a hit. Han uses markmanship to change focus dice to 1 crit 1 hit (Dice now show total 1 crit, 2 hit), target rolls 2 evade, 1 focus (he played focus action earlier), uses focus to change focus into another evade, therefore attack doesn't hit, allowing gunner to come into play.

-Han rolls via gunner, doesn't like it,

-Han rerolls 1 crit, 2 focus, uses markmanship again (2 Crit 1 Hit) and now with the target not having any defensive action leftover he relies strictly on raw rolls as defense.

This pretty much the correct scenario?

Edited by Bolder

Yes

He catches on quickly. :)

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Edited by KineticOperator

Q:
If a ship uses the Marksmanship action and attacks with Cluster Missiles, does the Marksmanship effect modify both attacks?
A:
Yes. The Marksmanship effect modifies each attack made by that ship during the round, including the effect of changing one {Eyeball} result to a {Critical Hit} result.

I think that should about cover it, no?

Q:

If a ship uses the Marksmanship action and attacks with Cluster Missiles, does the Marksmanship effect modify both attacks?

A:

Yes. The Marksmanship effect modifies each attack made by that ship during the round, including the effect of changing one {Eyeball} result to a {Critical Hit} result.

I think that should about cover it, no?

Oh, good catch. I was really worried that people would start opting to not turn the first [Focus] to a [crit]. It just seemed wrong to me, and now you've found good evidence to back that up.

I would throw my 2 cents in behind both Dbmeboy and Buhallin. Grammatically "may" should refer to the entire effect. Otherwise, it should be worded with "may" a second time.

Unfortunately, FFG isn't as careful with grammar as we all wish it would be sometimes, to say the least. But it still makes sense to me that you "may" choose to get a single crit and the rest hits, or you "may" choose not to change any of the results, but that you may not choose to simply change all results to hit.

Edited by KineticOperator

So are we all (or most of us) "agreeing" on that youMUST change the first [Focus] into a [Crit]??

In my world/understanding the card's wording is okay clear to me, and if you do not change the first [Focus] to the [Crit] then you can't perform the rest of the card's ability since it says " and all othe r [Focus]..."

And to all that feels annoyed by the fact that such a [Crit] might be negated by "Determination" and/or Chewie Crew card, well that is just part of the game and actually it is EXACTLY why your opponen chose that upgrade card.

Life (and gaming) is often not fair towards you....

Marksmanship
Action: When attacking this round, you may change 1 of your Focus results to a Critical Hit result and all your other Focus results to Hit results.

So can You change Eyes to hits only, if You don't want to Crit?

As per other comments, it's impossible to separate the Critical Hit component of the sentence from the Hit component without re-writing the whole sentence.

I'm with dbmeboy on this one. The way it's worded it seems like it's a linked, 'all or nothing' deal to me. You don't have to change any of them, but if you do change I think you have to follow all the conditions stated. It reads to me as though you either change nothing, or - if you decide to change one to a crit - you also have to change all the remaining ones to hits. And that you cannot change any of them to hits unless you have changed one to a crit first.

Marksmanship
Action: When attacking this round, you may change 1 of your Focus results to a Critical Hit result and all your other Focus results to Hit results.

So can You change Eyes to hits only, if You don't want to Crit?

As per other comments, it's impossible to separate the Critical Hit component of the sentence from the Hit component without re-writing the whole sentence.

Speaking of grammer, when it says, "this round" I took that to mean you had to pick a round to use it. But it seems to imply it is used as long as the ship is alive, because it doesn't say otherwise. I'm not sure why "this round" was inserted.

Because it's an action, I think. If you decide to, say, Focus or Target Lock, instead of activate Marksmanship, you don't gain its effect. You have to spend an action, then you gain the MM text until the end of the round. Then it goes away.

Or am I badly misunderstanding your question?

Edited by CrookedWookie

Because it's an action, I think. If you decide to, say, Focus or Target Lock, instead of activate Marksmanship, you don't gain its effect. You have to spend an action, then you gain the MM text until the end of the round. Then it goes away.

Or am I badly misunderstanding your question?

No, thats a lot more than I had before. Thanks.