I presume the Corebook is packaged with the dice?

Signoftheserpent, I don't think so. You will have to buy them seperately, use the chart in the book,, use the dice in the Beginner Game or the stckers with the Beta, or download the app.

Raistlinrox said:

The dice sold separately are another £12 on top. Ridiculous way to design a game. If they aren't in stock where the book is (which is entirely possible) you can't buy the book as the game will be unplayable. I do not own an iphone.

£40 for an incomplete game. A new low for FFG. Having to resort to a chart is hamfisted in the extreme.

Captain Fluffy said:

Yehhh. Leisure Games my neatest lfgs has it listed as a Tuesday release. So guess where I'm going

signoftheserpent said:

If the dice came with the book, you'd still have to pay for them. They'd be packaged into the cost as well, not thrown in for free. Plus any savings on shipping would be tossed out by adding the cost of more packaging, and the increased physical size. I can agree the potential for a dice shortage is annoying, it took me 2 months to get some fudge dice when The Dresden Files RPG came out, but that didn't make the game any less awesome.

That's a mistake.

The dice sold separately are another £12 on top. Ridiculous way to design a game. If they aren't in stock where the book is (which is entirely possible) you can't buy the book as the game will be unplayable. I do not own an iphone.

£40 for an incomplete game. A new low for FFG. Having to resort to a chart is hamfisted in the extreme.

That is a very strange argument about the dice not being included. I have played roleplaying games for some time and very few have included dice, most of those have been basic or beginner sets that have (Edge Beginner includes dice). Actually Fantasy Flight has presented numerous ways to get your hands on dice for the game in the Beta stages they included stickers, not long after they put out an app, they included them in the basic game, and now you can purchase them in a package. If you really want the dice you can get them.

mhuggies said:

Vrey few games require custom dice.

You cannot play this without the dice. Selling it without the dice beggars belief. It's also an increased risk to retailers who have to order in dice assuming that people will want them, but will be stuffed if people end up using smartphone/laptop apps. If they are then left with an odd number of dice packs compared to books then they are out of pocket. Noone will buy the dice alone. This is so stupid I can't even begin to fathom.

Mark It Zero said:

The One Ring included the dice with the books for the same price as this needlessly long monstrosity. 450 odd pages for a game that requires dice you cannot get with the book.

Fudge dice are nowhere near the problem this is. You can much more easily get by with regular dice than youc an here.

signoftheserpent said:

From what I understand, the rules contain a chart for using the game without the special dice. You use normal D6, D8, D12, and look up the numbers on the chart.

I'm not sure it's a big deal. I'm kind of glad the dice are separate.

I plan to buy the dice as I prefer having the proper thing, but I have been playing Eoe since the Beta (and am in fact running it tonight) and the dice were not on sale for that. We got past it by having either the dice roller app on Android or Apple or by downloading the sticker sheet from the Beta support page http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/edge_nrep.asp?eidm=19#eotebeta printing it onto a label sheet, cutting out and sticking onto normal dice. This has worked out very well and though,as previously mentioned, I prefer the official dice this is a very workable way around.

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From what I understand, the rules contain a chart for using the game without the special dice. You use normal D6, D8, D12, and look up the numbers on the chart.

I'm not sure it's a big deal. I'm kind of glad the dice are separate.

/nod

Honestly, why even post if your biggest issue is dice? Just go pick Saga edition and enjoy your D20's.

Many of us are excited to play a fresh new game with movie style elements and a robust core rulebook.

signoftheserpent said:

Those weren't free dice, they were factored into the cost. "Included" never ever means "free." It means, we have calculated a price that will balance the need for both units sold, and profit earned. That One Ring package is awesome, but I have a feeling that the limited scope of the license also led to reduced licensing fees.

There are also higher production costs of a hardcover book to consider. Especially given FFG's very respectable quality level. In addition, there is an additional 112 full color pages with artwork.

If you don't see the value, then as a consumer you owe it to yourself to shop elsewhere for your Star Wars gaming fix. I can respect that you don't like the seperate cost for dice, but any claims that FFG isn't presenting a fair package for the price is just absurd.

Me I paid $72 for the book and two sets of dice. The Internet is your friend! I would still have paid full price, but not when there are other cheaper options available to me.

signoftheserpent said:

Please don't spread misinformation you can play the game with regular dice also: https://www.dropbox.com/s/9yeq6g2vh2tvlsq/EoE%20Dice%20Chart.jpg

Even if that wasn't enough there are plenty of free/low cost options out there. Web based dice rollers, printing the chart above on stickers (as it was done in beta), iPhone/Android Apps.

It's bulls**t, D&D doesn't sell with the dice! unless you pick up the "Beginner's box", which for EotE, it does ALSO include the dice with the beginner's box!

And before you say that D&D uses regular dice, you still have to buy those so-called "regular dice", it wasn't common dice 40 years ago when the first version came out, but you have reasonable alternative now with EotE.

More over, for D&D, you'd have to buy 3 books for the base game plus one set of dice, here, you only have 1 book plus a set of dice. what's the big deal?

signoftheserpent said:

Most of my players are likely to do just that. I'll buy the core rulebook as I'll likely be the one GMing most of the time. If they want their own dice, that's all they'll buy. For any game only 1 or 2 of us is likely to have any given book that gets shared all around. If the dice only came with the rulebook, my players wouldn't be too happy.

As others have said, the cost really isn't that great considering the core book is essentially a PHB, DMG, and MM all in one (to use a D&D analogy).

alien270 said:

This, plus the fact that the same set of dice will power 4 total games in the end, maybe more. If it's successful who knows, Star Wars: The Dark Side (Black Crusade?)

Also, I have purchased two extra sets of dice already, so there's that evidence to the contrary…

Here's the thing with bundling dice: It would work fine if every group needed exactly one set of dice and one core book. Then you could sell the dice with the book, probably for slightly cheaper than puchasing both separately.

However! Different groups need different things. Some people like lots of dice. Some people use the dice app. Some people use one set of dice for the group, but have a couple core books. Some groups have a single core book, but everyone uses his or her own dice.

So it's good to offer the option of separate dice and books. Once you're already doing that, it doesn't make much business sense to bundle them, because you have to sell that bundle as a third product. That means a third product to package. A third product to sell to retailers. A third product that runs the risk of sitting on a shelf, not selling, because it's a few bucks more expensive than the one next to it. A third product on which to do market research, to try to determine, "How many bundles should we package up vs. selling them separately? How will that change in the future?"

When The One Ring came out, the only way you could get the dice was with the book (as far as I know, that's still the case). This led to people on the forums pooling their resources to order sets of dice to be shipped from Germany, which is expensive. I'd wager the folks at FFG saw that and said, "Mistake!"

If I wasn't buying the rule book, GM Kit, and a bunch of dice, and one of my friends was buying the rulebook and stuff instead, I would still totally be buying a bunch of dice just to have them, so that our group had extra to use. Also, I really love these dice! XD

aljovin said:

I guess some people just like to ***** and moan. We all do it about something, be it having to pay extra for international shipping or the price of gas at the pump or the quality of TV these days.

One thing about the D&D model though is that it's only $30 for the player's handbook, which that and a set of dice is all you need if you're a player. The EotE corebook is $60, which is a bit steeper if you're only intending to play Eote and have no desire to act as the GM. Not saying it's a major concern, but if one is operating on a limited income (such as a low-wage job and paying one's own living expences), every penny counts, and extra shipping costs for the dice could mean the difference between eating well or eating a lot of ramen that week.

It took almost a year for the One Ring dice to be sold separate. The Beginners Box costs just a little more than a set of dice, so I don't know why you wouldn't get the game if you planned to play the system. And I've had several players who love that app… though I still love the feel of physically rolling.

Garrett

Let's also be grateful that EotE does not require the use of miniatures, maps and tokens like recent editions of D&D and similar games seem to do. The up front cost might be higher, but I would argue that Edge will actually prove to be a comparatively inexpensive RPG over the life of the product.

I would throw down immediately for tokens and map packs. Optional, of course, but coming from a WHFR background I find the bits to be an added visual piece that my table really enjoys. I don't see any reason why FFG couldn't cater to both demographics there.

signoftheserpent said:

How many different websites are you going to bludgeon with this? If you don't want to buy it, then don't. Go play the One Ring and leave us in peace As you may have noticed, most of us here are excited about the release.

Keeop said:

I have a collection of Star Wars miniatures already from prior gaming, so I'm all set.