mouthymerc said:

Me too. At least then I could write off his falling into the sarlacc as Han's/Luke's/Leia's Destiny asserting itself. By blowing him up to be this bigger-than-life example of The Mandalorian, it actually makes him look worse.

I do agree with the person who mentioned that the clone army belonged to the Republic--not the Jedi. I've been saying this for years, and very few people understand it. Now, it is true that the Kaminoan told Obi-Wan that Sifo-Dyas had commissioned the creation of the army, but, at that time, he had already left the Order. Dooku (or Tyranus, as Jango referred to him) took over in his name after killing his friend.

When Yoda went to retrieve the clones, they came back not as Jedi troops, but those of the Republic. The Jedi, as befitting their historical role in the Republic, were given command over the army. Certainly, there were some Jedi that believed the clones were less than human, but most of the Jedi accepted them. If you ever play Battlefront 2 (which follows the story of the 501st), the clone narrator mentions how he didn't like having to kill Aayla Secura, as she treated them well, but that orders were orders.

As for droids, the Jedi, being a Force religion, might view droids as property merely because they cannot be Force sensitive. The iron Knights are different, as the actual Force sensitive being is the Shard inside the droid, rather than the droid itself. Since the Force binds all life together, and droids cannot know the Force, then droids are not living.

Of course, that leaves out things like ysalamiri, but those actively negate the Force, so they can still interact with the Force, even if it is to "shut it off," for lack of a better phrase.

The Old Republic actually has a mission on the Republic side where you help someone on Nar Shaddaa find her droid. She had been neglecting its memory wipes, and it ran off. Turns out it had become self-aware, and it ran off because she was way too fond of it (much like the quest in KOTOR). You can choose to take the droid back for a memory wipe, or it will give you the data you need if you allow it to continue on its path of self-discovery.

In this light, it may just be a case of keeping up with memory wipes in order that the droid never achieves self-awareness. Of course, that does introduce the question: "If that self-awareness can be taken away, is it true sentience or just a function of advanced AI?" Then you'd have to ask yourself if you'd as easily accept the sentience of an R2 unit as you would the sentience of a HRD like Guri. What about a binary load lifter?

Who led the Clone Army just because the Jedi use the light doesn't make them white knights

Also heres a history lesson courtesy of Wookiepedia:

In 738 BBY, following a significant growth in Mandalorian militancy that alarmed the Republic and its Jedi protectors, a brief and targeted conflict broke out between the Republic and the Mandalorians that brought devastation to the Mandalore sector.^[4]Portions of the planet Mandalore were reduced to barren white-sand deserts

With the Suprema dead and their numbers bolstered, the Protectors took their fight to Imperial Grand Admiral Miltin Takel, who had been placed in charge of the Mandalore sector, and drove him from Mandalorian space.^[1][9]

Having acquired sample's from the living miid ro'ik ship's internal walls, and records of everything they could see from recorders in their helmets, Fett and Beviin planned to make contact with the New Republic

During the New Sith Wars, the Mandalorians would break from what many perceived to be a long-standing alliance, and waged war against the Sith.

The Mandalorians, now under the leadership ofMand'alor Chernan Ordo, had been contracted by the Galactic Alliance to hold the planet Botajef and its shipyards against the Imperial Army until the Galactic Alliance Fleet arrived with reinforcements.

"Warmaster, we think too often in terms of dualism: Jedi or Sith, light or dark, right or wrong. But there are three sides to this blade, not two, opposed and similar at the same time. The third edge is the Mandalorian. All three sides care nothing for caste or species, only adherence to a code that unites. The Mandalorians remain the most formidable enemy of the Jedi: but the Sith are not always their allies. The Mandalorians even worshiped war itself, then simply turned their backs on their god. You might begin to understand them one day."

?Vergere

Yeah so many of you Mando haters probably won't read this also Mando culture has become like the Jedi and Sith we will always be in the lore also prophecy and reps can be vague for example Qui-Gon and Maul don't deserve their reps either,but you except EU for them.