So in the new expansion when are the effects of the cursed dice supposed to be resolved?

In the rules, it mentions after terror effects have been resolved which only happen if the tasks are failed but in the example the cursed dice removes a 3 investigation which prevents Rita from completing one of the tasks which therefore suggests cursed dice take affect before completing tasks…and therefore occur before any terror effects…

If we assume in the example, the adventure Rita was trying to complete has a terror effect, then the terror effect would have to occur between points 1 and 2 in the example, but cursed dice effects have to occur after terror effects (as stated in rules) but terror effects only occur if task is failed and task is only failed because of the effect of the cursed die!

i assume it occurs first prior to completing tasks and the statement that it should occur after terror effects is a mistake…what do others think?

Why are you assuming there is a terror effect in the rule book example? Seems clear enough - if there is a terror effect, it takes place before the cursed die effect, even if the cursed die is a terror result and would remove the terror that you rolled on a green die.

An example: you need 2 peril and 3 investigation for a task with a terror effect, and are cursed. You roll remaining 4 green dice and curse die and your results are 2 lore, 1 investigation, and 1 terror, with a terror on the cursed die. You suffer the terror effect, remove the terror from your pool along with the cursed die, lose 1 die for failing, and are then unable to complete the adventure with only 2 remaining dice, and suffer its penalties. The game should be mean that way, given the theme.

They could have used an example like this to make it clear, but I don't see any reason why you should assume a terror effect was implied in the example.

Whoops- never mind my previous response. I see what you're saying. I think if you applied a terror effect to the rule book example, you would suffer the terror effect automatically, because you are unable to complete the task- the order doesn't really matter, because you have to apply the terror result when you fail, regardless. My example above would apply to the terror effect taking place first, as designated in the rule book.

I guess if you wanna get technical about it, maybe if Terror effects trigger "whenever you would fail a roll", that theoretically means that they could trigger before the roll has actually failed, during what is scientifically known as the "Looking At The Dice To See If You Effed Up" phase. That brings up an interesting issue. If the Curse die rolls Terror, and you both failed a roll and rolled a Terror die, the Curse technically takes the Terror die away before the effect triggers, but the effect will still trigger. It seems as though the way to think about it is that each roll has a "Check" step where you look to see if Terror and Curses and such resolve, and then a "Resolve" step when all those effects take place (as opposed to checking and resolving each issue one by one).

xfoley8 said:

but….the only reason a task cannot be completed in the rule book example is because the cursed effect removes one if the 3 investigation dice - if cursed effects take place after terror, then in the example the first thing I should be able to do is use 3 investigation on green die and 3 investigation on yellow die to complete the 6 investigation task - as I succeeded in a task the terror doesn't come into effect and then after that the cursed die is checked but it can't remove anything because I've already used the 3 investigations to complete a task….I don't think that is right, which means cursed dice need to be checked before any tasks can be completed - therefore the order is very important. I believe the intent of the wording is to ensure the issue you mentioned that if the curse die comes up terror and you have a single terror die, the curse die doesn't prevent terror effects from occurring… In effect the cursed die "freezes" rather than discards a die with a matching symbol, and this effect applies before any tasks are completed - a frozen die cannot be used to complete tasks and cannot be discarded for a failure to complete a task, but is counted when determining if terror effects are applied…at the end of the round any frozen die as well as the black die is then discarded….IMO, that's what the intend to happen, but rule book wording doesn't follow….

Sinthioth said:

yes, your check step = my freezing rather than discarding concept, once the die is frozen and terror checks made, the last thing to do is resolve the curse die by removing both it and the frozen die…

pumpkin said:

I guess I fall into the "play whatever hurts the investigators most" mentality. It's true that the wording of the rules didnt take all the possibilities into account, but I'm betting the intention is for the curse die to hurt you as much as possible (and I think your interpretation is similar). Basically, if the curse die effect will cause you to fail a task, it must be applied. If the curse result happens to be a terror and your roll without the curse die would trigger a terror effect, the terror effect must be applied first. Of course, I think there's even an exception to that- I think there is at least one adventure that has a 2 terror task, and a one terror task, and has a terror effect. You could successfully roll the first 2-terror, then roll one terror and get a terror on the curse die. In that situation, you'd still trigger the terror effect and fail the task. Wording the rules for every possibility is tricky, if not impossible, sometimes.