Question 1, when an army is defeated, it says in the rules they can retreat to an adjacent empty space(containing no units) or retreat to a friendly area as long as it doesn't put you over army limits. Issue we are having, one of the guys says he can retreat to an open neutral area that is adjacent, (usually happens with lannistars/Greyjoys). Is this alowed? can he really move into an unclaimed area and be routed, but still collect the benefits of the area he retreated to? We think you should only be able to retreat to your own areas. Question 2. There is a greyjoy card that says "you may discard 2 power tokens to pick another card in your hand" (aeron damphair) While i think this card is worthless the same player seems to think that you HAVE to discard 2 tokens if you play that card, so if you have none and thats your last card you cannot play anymore cards, nor can you pick up your hand or anything. Still why would you play that card when you could have chosen a better card anyways? i dont see spending 2 tokens on a card unless its your last card to go in and get another from the discard deck.
Question about 2 rules that seem to cause some issues in our game
As a further question about that damphair card, does that person HAVE to pay if he doesn't want to and just use the card and not pick through? can he just play the card, get the 0 bonus then discard it like any other card, or does he HAVE to pay the 2 tokens, and choose another if he has one available.
The way that my group reads it is that the rules say that you "MAY" use two power tokens, it does not say you have to. That is what makes his card somewhat useful so that you can see what the other person plays, and if the benefits of victory are good enough, you could then get a new house card in. But by no means do you have to do that. If you do not want to play a new card, Damphair just gets discarded like anyone else.
Thx much for the answer, that is what i thought, but a guy we played with was adamant i had to use 2 tokens to play that card, and when it was the last card in my hand i couldn't play it as i didn't have any tokens, so for 3 fights i couldn't use any house cards. Any idea on the retreat thing? that also was a big one, he thinks he could retreat into a neutral area he didn't control, and then could reap any benefits, supply, crown, castle etc. We feel you shouldn't be able to retreat into a nutral area, you should have to retreat into your own lands even if it puts you over the supply limit.
warrgod said:
Thx much for the answer, that is what i thought, but a guy we played with was adamant i had to use 2 tokens to play that card, and when it was the last card in my hand i couldn't play it as i didn't have any tokens, so for 3 fights i couldn't use any house cards. Any idea on the retreat thing? that also was a big one, he thinks he could retreat into a neutral area he didn't control, and then could reap any benefits, supply, crown, castle etc. We feel you shouldn't be able to retreat into a nutral area, you should have to retreat into your own lands even if it puts you over the supply limit.
"May" does not mean "Must". Next time bring a dictionary, and show him the difference :-)
You are allowed to retreat to a "Neutral" area, that is, one with no units and no power token. When in doubt, do exactly what the rules say:
"The retreating units must retreat to one empty adjacent area (i.e., one containing no enemy units or enemy Power tokens) or to a friendly area (i.e., one containing friendly units, and/or a friendly Power token)."
warrgod said:
you should have to retreat into your own lands even if it puts you over the supply limit.
Do note that you may NEVER exceed your supply limits. Any extra units are destroyed.
btw, another question about retreat - if defender lost and retreated in empty area WITH CASTLE/CITADEL - he become an owner of this immediately and we must move his coin on the victory track, or…?
Yep. But if his opponents leave a castle open for him to take like that, they are not playing very well…