See below a specific scenario, can i get advice as to what triggers first and what is being attampted

Opponent A : Has Varamyr Sixskins in play ' Any phase : Put 1 creature character into play from your hand to return Varamyr Sixskins to your hand. At the end of the phase, if that creature is still in play discard it from play cannot be saved.

To play the cost Opponent A puts Balerion the Black into play . Im planning to play Bloodrider : Response : Kneel 2 influence and put Bloodrider into play from your hand to cancel the effects of a character ability just triggered.

I believe that I would do the response on Balerion first as soon as he comes into play to kneel all non Dragon locations and characters and then play Bloodrider in order to cancel Varamyr being returned to my hand and the creature character ( Balerion ) being discarded at the end of the phase .

Is this correct ?

First off, you can only trigger Balerion's ability by "playing" him from hand. This normally requires you to do it during the marshaling phase and actually paying for him. At 10 gold that's almost impossible (or very difficult and rare), so, typically, this is done with Dragon Lore (which reduces the cost of the next Dragon to zero).

When using Varamyr, you are "putting him into play" and not "playing" him - so his response cannot trigger.

That said, the order would depend upon what is responding to what. In your example (assuming both responses could trigger) you'd have conflicting responses as both of them are responses to a single card coming into play. In that case, you, the controller, would decide which response fires first (assuming the responses aren't canceled by other players who also have an opportunity to respond).

Actually - that last paragraph… not 100% sure on that - so striking it out. The Balerion stuff is definitely right, though. Sorry.

Since Balerian is not played, it does not matter, however if it did matter, you would need to cancel Varamyr's ability first before triggering any other responses to what happened during that player action. The player action initiates by paying the cost of putting the creature into play. Then you must immediately make the decision to cancel the effect in Step 2(Save/Cancel). Step 3(Resolution) is when you return Varamyr to your hand and the lasting effect of discarding the creature is created. Step 5(Responses) is when Balerian can trigger his response, which would be long after you would cancel the effect.

Either way, you can't trigger Balerian to this because he is not played .

1. Initiate your action by paying the costs (you put Balerion into play)

Step 2: Save Cancel (You could play Bloodrider here to prevent Varamyr from returning to hand, and prevent the at-the-end-of-phase ability)
3. The effect resolves: Varamyr is moribund: hand. Balerion will be discarded at end of phase.
4. Passives: None
5. Responses: You cannot trigger Balerion, since he was put in play (he was not played).
6. Varamyr leaves play and returns to hand.

Bomb said:

Ok, I have confused the issue by using Balerion as an example which was incorrect ( I only did this because my friend has been doing it this way and popping his poxy dragon into play, incorrect i might add )….anyway..

So im clear then

If Varamyr is in play and then triggers his any phase ability does it mean that if this is cancelled Varamyr is still in play along with the creature that was brought in ?

Yes. If you cancel Varamyr's ability, both the Creature and Varamyr would remain in play.

-Istaril said:

Sorry guys, another extension to this

I have in play Varamyr and Illaryio

Response : After a character enters play during the challenges phase, choose a non-unique character. Until the end of the phase, that character gets -1 STR and is killed if STR is

I trigger Varamyr and bring out a creature and then in step 2 i kneel 2 influence to bring out Bloodrider and cancel Varamyr.

Are you saying that i could not have triggered Illaryios response until step 5 and now i can do two responses for him ?

Yup. Can't trigger Illyrio till step V, but you can trigger him twice.

2 characters have entered play, so Illyrio's requirement has been met twice.