Is there magic in Star Wars

By AgentJ, in Star Wars: Edge of the Empire RPG

So for us, 'midichlorians' exist, but don't measure anything that scientists can be certain of, an inexact science that is mostly dismissed as quackery. Hutts and Toydarians have no Force immunity beyond a higher Willpower score.

Of course the First Rule of Canon applies - your table, your rules and Lucas be damned - but I've actually made peace with the Midichlorians. I came around to being okay with them once I realize that the Midichlorians were not what caused the Force, but a byproduct of the Force. Kind of like having dark skin pigment does not mean you live in Africa. Living in Africa gives you dark skin pigment.

Same thing - Midichlorians don't necessarily "cause" the force in people, rather that perhaps they are tiny organisms that gather near the force. Therefore, you could measure them to get a general idea of how much Force is generated in a person at that time, but it isn't as though people have the ability to control tiny beings to lift X-Wings and stuff.

Also, just because the Jedi said it was so does not necessary make them right. Midichlorian readings could easily be the high-tech equivalent of reading tea leaves.

Being in Africa doesn't make you black, being in Europe drains your melanin and makes you white (over the course of thousands of years, anyway). But I see what you mean, and you're absolutely right; midichlorians are merely a guideline, a curiosity, even. In-universe characters don't even fully understand them; they've merely noticed that high Force sensitive people tend to have this strange bacteria in their blood.

Being in Africa doesn't make you dark. Being in Europe doesn't make you white. Even after thousands of years. What makes your skin have the pigment (or not) is a combination of survival and mate choice. With the right diet we can survive in northerly climes and have dark skin to reduce the UV damage. But without that diet, those that have slightly lighter skin are more favored to survive to reproduce. Clearly we can survive in Africa and not have dark skin. Just look at all the white folks that are there. A few hundred years later and their skin hasn't gotten any darker just from being there.

On the issue of midichlorians, I accept is as true. From a certain point ov view.. they don't make a force user powerful in the force, however the midichlorians are a type of benign parasitic organism that force users have, and the quantity of which can be measured.

A parasite, by nature, isn't benign. A symbiote would be one where both benefit (mitochondria in eukaryotic cells).

Yeah mitochondria were the obvious reference for midichlorians. Something that every living thing in this galaxy has, that biologically proves their connection to the Force.

After seeing Phantom Menace I had a dream in which the Borg assimilated a Jedi, and in so doing awakened Force sensitivity within all members of the Collective that had midichlorians. Entire Force sensitive Cubes and Tactical Cubes were created that could blast lightning bolts and slam Sovereign-class vessels with telekinesis. It was beautiful lol.

On the issue of midichlorians, I accept is as true. From a certain point ov view.. they don't make a force user powerful in the force, however the midichlorians are a type of benign parasitic organism that force users have, and the quantity of which can be measured.

A parasite, by nature, isn't benign. A symbiote would be one where both benefit (mitochondria in eukaryotic cells).

After seeing Phantom Menace I had a dream in which the Borg assimilated a Jedi, and in so doing awakened Force sensitivity within all members of the Collective that had midichlorians. Entire Force sensitive Cubes and Tactical Cubes were created that could blast lightning bolts and slam Sovereign-class vessels with telekinesis. It was beautiful lol.

For my Episode 1 era padawan game, I had a story arc where a Mad Scientist working on a virus that would attack Midichlorians. In a non-Jedi, it would make them sick as a dog like they caught a bad cold but in a full blown force user (or Sith), it would kill them. Her eventual plan was drop the virus bomb on Courscant and watch the fireworks - and you should have seen the "oh crap" look on their faces when they figured out what they were dealing with.

On the issue of midichlorians, I accept is as true. From a certain point ov view.. they don't make a force user powerful in the force, however the midichlorians are a type of benign parasitic organism that force users have, and the quantity of which can be measured.

A parasite, by nature, isn't benign. A symbiote would be one where both benefit (mitochondria in eukaryotic cells).
Parasite was the best term as I see it as something that feeds on the force, but doesn't provide any advantage to the host.

Access to the Force sure seems like an advantage to the host.

So for us, 'midichlorians' exist, but don't measure anything that scientists can be certain of, an inexact science that is mostly dismissed as quackery. Hutts and Toydarians have no Force immunity beyond a higher Willpower score.

Of course the First Rule of Canon applies - your table, your rules and Lucas be damned - but I've actually made peace with the Midichlorians. I came around to being okay with them once I realize that the Midichlorians were not what caused the Force, but a byproduct of the Force. Kind of like having dark skin pigment does not mean you live in Africa. Living in Africa gives you dark skin pigment.

Actually, it's the other way around. Living *out* of Africa gave people *light* skin pigmentation. (It's an adaptation favored in temperate and arctic climes because it increases the amount of Vitamin D produced by the more limited sun exposure.)

Edit: Beaten to it by JonahHex *and* Kallabecca.

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On the issue of midichlorians, I accept is as true. From a certain point ov view.. they don't make a force user powerful in the force, however the midichlorians are a type of benign parasitic organism that force users have, and the quantity of which can be measured.

A parasite, by nature, isn't benign. A symbiote would be one where both benefit (mitochondria in eukaryotic cells).
Parasite was the best term as I see it as something that feeds on the force, but doesn't provide any advantage to the host.

Access to the Force sure seems like an advantage to the host.

Except that I was not suggesting that the parasite gives the host the access to the force.

George Lucas needed a way to measure how strong a force sensitive person was. Thus midiclorians was created. End of story

do not forget Arthur C Clarke's 3rd law "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic."

The Technomages in Babylon 5 are a great example of "Magic users" in the future. They relied a lot on advanced holoprojectors and nanotechnology to do their stuff.

One time i was thinking of an alternate school of force users that used heavily modified hold-out blasters instead of light sabers. Be a sort of gunslinger like the Lone ranger (who had the knack of shooting guns out of peoples hands)

But to answer the OP question, it looks like the player wants to be some sort of force sensitive. he would be the type of player that could be very dissapointed with what he can do, or see it as a challenge to do something with his character. Really suggest waiting for Age of Rebellion and using the Force Emergent. A lot of the abilities are "Buffs" so it might be difficult to use especially when having to fight after being suprised

Or just have the player sit down and watch episodes 4-6 again and calmly explain "the Force is the magic of the Star Wars universe, can you dig it?"

I'm fine with extrapolating from the films and the broader resources of SW, but for me and mine we're happy to play within the box. We like the low key mystical nature of the Force and dot really want the spellification of it we found in the WotC versions or the MMO. If we want to play magic users casting fireballs we'll play something else (WHFRP3rd is a pretty decent game with plenty of magic to fling around and a very similar dice system)

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In a campaign I ran a while back, I combined the Dragonstar setting with Star Wars by putting it in Grid D-20 which is in the Unknown Regions at the edge of the galaxy. The grid D-20 reference, was just a nod to d20! ;)

Anyways, I basically put the setting in there including Outland worlds mighty Dragons, the whole nine yards, Just told everyone the "spells" or other Supernatural powers whatever they may be were in fact powered by the Force. Those characters originating from the Dragonstar empire perceived everything "Magic" as it was described in the original setting for Dragonstar and by extension D&D.

But I made it clear no matter what, it was really the Force powering all their "magic" either Arcane, Psionic, or Divine! It was great fun. Basically it was a way to put D&D in Star Wars in such a way as to not ruin the continuity of either universe. As traditional "D&D" worlds existed as "Outland worlds" within the Dragonstar empire, which itself existed within the Star Wars galaxy is a region untouched by Star Wars Canon.

Dragonstar was another really awesome setting from Fantasy Flight Games by the way. :P

Apologies for the thread necromancy here, but how did you integrate the Dragon Empire in with the Rebellion and the Empire?

I'm considering running a similar game. :)