Deadshane said:

Deadshane said:

This is incorrect. If you feel it is slowing down game play, you are fully within your rights to call over the TO an explain the issue. The TO has the ability to then hand that player some dice if he/she agrees.

Being allowed in official tournaments does not mean you will be able to use it if it is disrupting or slowing down game play.

JMichael said:

You don't even need to use the presets. Just put 5-6 of each kind out there. Turn them all to blank with the manual controls. Now for each roll, just select the number of dice you need to roll. The rest of the dice won't even move. Since the unselected dice are all blank, they won't show results at the bottom of the screen. Your dice stay highlighted and get a results summary at the bottom. Its really easy to modify or reroll them as well.

ScottieATF said:

Many things can cause slow play….the dice app is JUST AS ACCEPTABLE in OFFICIAL tournaments as the dice that come in the starter set.

Slow play aside.

If I'm playing in a tournament with my app, and you simply don't want me to, there is pretty much nothing you can do about it.

…not so long as the tournament is "Official".

If you take to long to select maneuvers on your maneuver dials are you saying that I can complain to a TO that you shouldn't be allowed to use them??? WTF?

The dice app is accepted by FF for use in their tournaments….PERIOD.

I like it, I bought it….hence, I'm using it. I personally know that I don't slow play….so….sorry.

Don't be a hater!

Deadshane said:

You are not understanding my point. And please if you are going to continue contributing can you please cut the erratic format and punction, it makes it hard to read your post and really hard to take it seriously.

A TO can make any call in a tournament they feel needed, that is including telling a player they can no longer use the Dice App if it is disrupting play. Your comparison to manuver dials is in no way apt. You are comparing taking time implementing stratedgy and actually playing the game to time spent fiddling with an app that is taking the place of dice. A player can certainly stall with thier manuver dials, and a TO would be well suited to tell them to hurry up if taking an excessive amount of time, but any extra time needed to use an app over dice is stalling, as it is not apart of playing the game just a funtional aspect. There is after all no quicker subsitiute for the manuver dials as there is for the dice app.

I have zero issue with the app itself, but if it is taking a player more time to use the app then it would to just roll the attack, then it is disrupting gameplay. Any TO worth thier salt should hand the player dice at that point and tell them to stop slowing the game down. A TO should be willing to do that in any situation where a player is taking an excessive amount of time to execute play, such as assigning manuvers, executing manuvers, taking actions, etc. In this case the problem is easily solved by simply warning the player about thier slow play and removing the device which is slowing the game down.

You are completely correct that there is absolutely no reason why you can't sit down to a tournament ready to use your dice app. But you are sbsolutely incorrect that there is no recourse if your oppoent feels you are disrutping the game flow with it. A TO is certainly within thier abilties to not allow you to use the dice app any longer if you can not use it without slowing down the game.

Basically he's right Scottie. The app is as official as the miniatures or the real dice you can buy so why would it not be useable during tournaments. YOu might as well tell us it's not good to use A-Wings because they slow down the game…

Also blaming someone for a spelling mistake or formatting error is kinda lame.

I agree, while people are perfectly entitled to use the apps I think for tournament play it is best for everything to be nice and simple and out in the open. It is also quicker and easier for everyone involved to see what is going on.

ScottieATF said:

Actually, being allowed in official tournaments DOES mean you can use it, even if your opponent doesn't like it.

If two options are both explicitly allowed, the a player is under no obligation to choose the most efficient one, nor is there any provision requiring your approval in order to use it. If FFG has decided that the dice app should be legal, despite being slower and clunkier, then it is legal even though it is slower and clunkier.

If someone is intentionally using the app more slowly than they should be then that's another matter. But FFG has explicitly said that the standard use of the app is allowed, so using it is not disruptive whether you like that or not.

I happen to not like the app either - I think it's gimmicky, overpriced, and completely unnecessary. But as long as FFG says it's legal then it's legal, whether you approve of the speed of its operation or not.

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Again, as I stated, that you are allowed to use it, doesn't mean that a TO can't, won't, or shouldn't then reassess that situation if an issue arises. That it is a legal game aid does not mean you can stall (intentionally or not) with it's use. If you can't use the app in a reasonable amount of time then the TO can and should hand that player a set of dice.

I feel as if I've been very clear that I don't see the app as an issue if a player uses it correctly, I am only stating that it's legality is not absolute and a TO is well with in thier power to not allow a player to continue to use the app if they can not do so in a reasonable amount of time. Just as a TO is well within thier power to give a game loss/DQ for a player that spends 3 minutes rolling his dice. The fact is the app is slightly clunky, more difficult to use, and tied to a device that can fail in game; so it will be more often the culprit of game disruption then actual dice.

Your opponent will have no reason to complain about the app if you can use prperly, but if you can't they absolutely do have recourse, regardless of the fact it is a legal app.

Scottie i can tell you that what really makes games very long is using a Tie Swarm or lots of naked A-Wings. High agility, low firepower affects the length of games much more than a dice app. Sure taking up some dice and rolling is still faster and personally i like it better.

But i don't think it is a problem even on tournaments, of course only if your opponent clearly shows yu what he has rolled at any time.

ScottieATF said:

You said this:

"I have zero issue with the app itself, but if it is taking a player more time to use the app then it would to just roll the attack , then it is disrupting gameplay."

That's the standard you present - if someone doesn't use a means which is at least as efficient as the one you prefer, then they're being disruptive. I'm sorry, but there's simply no validity behind that. There's certainly nothing in the rules that gives you the right to make that determination.

If someone is intentionally stalling, that's a different matter entirely. But so long as they're working to the best of their ability with something that is legal, you really have no valid claim to object under the rules.

This really isn't any different than calling someone disruptive for flying 8 TIEs. Flying 8 TIEs means they'll take much longer to complete their turns than if they were flying, say, a dual-YT build. You can't disqualify them for that because it's just as legal, even if it means you get 5 turns in the time limit instead of 12. If using the dice app doubles someone's time to roll the dice and slows it down, that's perfectly legal whether you approve of it or not.

wildkatze69 said:

i think that both players should be in agreement. the player with the dice app should also have physical dice on hand if this is what his opponent would prefer to use. simple. if they dont mind, let them use the app. no need to ban it. just give players the opportunity to agree to use them or they dont get used. i can see how the game could be slowwd by using it initially until u get good at using it anyway.

The_Brown_Bomber said:

Or we just agree to get over the fact that the dice app is legal and that whomever wants to use it can use it, whether his opponent likes it or not. It's not a friendly thing to do if the advversary objects, but you can not force someone to use dice if he wants to use the app, even on a tournament.

rowdyoctopus said:

how long did that take to explain now LOL

I am appauled at the hate that the Dice App is getting, and at some of the comments being made.

One common comment is that the app is slower than actual dice. How many of you actually select your dice and then roll them within one second of selecting them? Everybody I've seen rolls/shuffles them in their hand for a few seconds and then rolls. That's the way people normally roll dice (or at least that's the case in my experience). The few extra seconds it takes to select the dice in the app is commensurate to the extra few seconds it takes for people to prep their dice for the roll after they've picked them up. It is NOT a time sink. [However if somebody comes to the tournament unfamiliar with the app, I can see that taking time].

Another common complaint is that the opponent will hide the dice results. This is strictly against tournament rules, as per the final clause on page 3:

" If the Star WarsTM Dice app is used, the app must be displayed in full view of both players at all times."

There it is. If the opponent removes the device with the app from view, you can call him on it, but as long as it's out on the table it's totally legitimate. I always put my device half-way between us with brightness all the way up so that both players can see the results easily. I also have the sound activated so that if there is an accidental reroll we both hear that happen and can agree on how to rectify it (though I turned the "shake" function off so accidental rerolls don't happen anymore).

If app users don't abide by the rules, I guess I can understand the frustration. But there are equally bad things with real dice (like hitting the miniatures with them, or taking too long to roll them while you pray to the dice gods).

This thread has become too serious, so may I be the first to offer that all dice (real and app) are eliminated. At the beginning of each game a coin is flipped, heads The Imperials win, tails the Rebels win. In the case of both players playing one faction both players win if said coin lands in your favor. This way no one cheats (unless your flipping a coin with the same side) and no one is taking too long to roll their respective dice ( real or app), Everyone wins a prize and we can all go out for pizza and beer (or your choice of drink) afterwards.

esmolinski said:

Heads is totally OP.

Buhallin said:

Tails needs an Errata.

What happens when it lands on its side? I know buhallin will think the answer to this is clear and straightforward, but I think the intent of the game designers was not clear.

Come on and update that FAQ already!

wildkatze69 said:

3 seconds? Its really not slow once you learn how to use it.

I am sorry that my pour spelling and/or sentance structure erors offended anyone.

Not all of us can have phlawless typing skills, though we may aspire to.

I hope that my humble apolojy is sufficient to make up for such a heinous sin, I am truly sorry, and feel much less a person now.

I wish I was smarter, I'm so stupid. I totally agree with you that perfection in tieping responces both in

sentanse structure and speling shud be considered manditory on hobby forums.

I'm going now to contemplate my lyfe and how worthless I am.

Naaa….I think I'll just go play a game using my official tournament legal dice app.

i have issue with it being far too easy to keep rolling till you get a result you want. As it rolls every time you shake it.

Deadshane said:

I asked you politely to show your fellow forum posters a little common courtesy by posting in a easily read format (I've seen other threads of yours showing you are perfectly capable of it). There is no reason to act juvenile or offended by that request. But I take it you no longer feel like contributing to the discussion and would prefer to just troll.

My opinion on the dice app is that it's overpriced and not needed in my case. I bought 2 core sets and have enough dice to cover any situation in the game that might come up.

I am running a Star Wars: Edge of the Empire BETA game. I bought the dice app for that because at the time, the only way to get dice was sticker sheets or the dice app. It was a bonus that the X-wing dice and a normal set of RPG dice were included. As far as all that goes, I think it is totaly worth the $5. Also it is a well-made app.

I use the app in tournaments. I found that it was quick to respond, and that it was well received from my opponents. And to be honest, I enjoy using it. I love the sound effects. It really helps get me in the mood when playing.

The only reason I can understand people getting upset about the app in the tournament setting is if people where not showing it to there opponents. If that's the case, tell the TO, and move on.